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On average, all things equal, Asians need to have a higher GPA and SAT score than whites to get admitted to the same university on the undergraduate level. I am guessing its the same situation for law school admissions? If so, roughly how much higher of a GPA and LSAT score does an Asian need to get into T14 law schools? Specifically, I am aiming for Columbia.

No, I don't think so.

Also, you can choose not to report your race if you'd like.

I think at the law school level it is going to have the same effect as being white.

Asians are somewhat over-represented in law schools (especially elite law schools), but not nearly as over-represented as they are in prestigious undergrad schools and medical schools. There is a very slight bias--I believe Asians generally have almost identical LSATs to whites (maybe like a .5 point lower, 152.5-152), and significantly higher GPAs, yet they are admitted at a slightly lower rate (74% of white applicants receive admittance to a school, while 68% of Asians do).

This is nothing like the bias Asians face in med and undergrad, though--partly because there are so many more Asians vying to get into those (for some reason law has never been as popular a choice among Asians), and because Asian academic credentials are much more similar to Caucasians' credentials among law school applicants.

At the top schools, I honestly believe the difference is negligible. If you have the numbers you should get in. I have seen Asian-American profiles on LSN and they behave exactly according to the numbers. Everyone with a 175/3.8 is getting into Columbia. Everyone with straight As and a 1550 on the SAT is not getting into Harvard undergrad. It's kinda why I sorta enjoy the law school admission process--it feels like a truly objective process, albeit one based on a dumb-ass test.

cinephile wrote:No, I don't think so.

Also, you can choose not to report your race if you'd like.

That might work, unless his/her name was something like "Choo Sing Wah" or "Wing Tang Too."
I agree, though, ridiculous thread.

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I make goo goo ga ga sounds as general short hand for other people's names.

ahnhub wrote:Asians are somewhat over-represented in law schools (especially elite law schools), but not nearly as over-represented as they are in prestigious undergrad schools and medical schools. There is a very slight bias--I believe Asians generally have almost identical LSATs to whites (maybe like a .5 point lower, 152.5-152), and significantly higher GPAs, yet they are admitted at a slightly lower rate (74% of white applicants receive admittance to a school, while 68% of Asians do).

This is nothing like the bias Asians face in med and undergrad, though--partly because there are so many more Asians vying to get into those (for some reason law has never been as popular a choice among Asians), and because Asian academic credentials are much more similar to Caucasians' credentials among law school applicants.

At the top schools, I honestly believe the difference is negligible. If you have the numbers you should get in. I have seen Asian-American profiles on LSN and they behave exactly according to the numbers. Everyone with a 175/3.8 is getting into Columbia. Everyone with straight As and a 1550 on the SAT is not getting into Harvard undergrad. It's kinda why I sorta enjoy the law school admission process--it feels like a truly objective process, albeit one based on a dumb-ass test.

Because they're smart.

Jaeger wrote:

ahnhub wrote:Asians are somewhat over-represented in law schools (especially elite law schools), but not nearly as over-represented as they are in prestigious undergrad schools and medical schools. There is a very slight bias--I believe Asians generally have almost identical LSATs to whites (maybe like a .5 point lower, 152.5-152), and significantly higher GPAs, yet they are admitted at a slightly lower rate (74% of white applicants receive admittance to a school, while 68% of Asians do).

This is nothing like the bias Asians face in med and undergrad, though--partly because there are so many more Asians vying to get into those (for some reason law has never been as popular a choice among Asians), and because Asian academic credentials are much more similar to Caucasians' credentials among law school applicants.

At the top schools, I honestly believe the difference is negligible. If you have the numbers you should get in. I have seen Asian-American profiles on LSN and they behave exactly according to the numbers. Everyone with a 175/3.8 is getting into Columbia. Everyone with straight As and a 1550 on the SAT is not getting into Harvard undergrad. It's kinda why I sorta enjoy the law school admission process--it feels like a truly objective process, albeit one based on a dumb-ass test.

Because they're smart.

+ 1 lol. And if whites were good at teh sciences like Asians are, they'd probably also try to go to med school more frequently rather than graduate with a liberal arts degree and go the law school route.

crazi4law wrote:On average, all things equal, Asians need to have a higher GPA and SAT score than whites to get admitted to the same university on the undergraduate level. I am guessing its the same situation for law school admissions? If so, roughly how much higher of a GPA and LSAT score does an Asian need to get into T14 law schools? Specifically, I am aiming for Columbia.

This is wrong.

westinghouse60 wrote: + 1 lol. And if whites were good at teh sciences like Asians are, they'd probably also try to go to med school more frequently rather than graduate with a liberal arts degree and go the law school route.

Agree 100%-while American school kids are sitting around playing Wii, wasting time on Facebook and Twitter, and getting obese at record rates, Chinese kids are doing Calculus and their parents are buying our debt.

Before long, we'll all be speaking Chinese

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crazi4law wrote:Is there a disadvantage in being Asian in law school admissions?

No.

BigTimeJewLawyer2B wrote:

westinghouse60 wrote: + 1 lol. And if whites were good at teh sciences like Asians are, they'd probably also try to go to med school more frequently rather than graduate with a liberal arts degree and go the law school route.

Agree 100%-while American school kids are sitting around playing Wii, wasting time on Facebook and Twitter, and getting obese at record rates, Chinese kids are doing Calculus and their parents are buying our debt.

Before long, we'll all be speaking Chinese

Heh, I am doing both of these right now.

Drake014 wrote:

crazi4law wrote:On average, all things equal, Asians need to have a higher GPA and SAT score than whites to get admitted to the same university on the undergraduate level. I am guessing its the same situation for law school admissions? If so, roughly how much higher of a GPA and LSAT score does an Asian need to get into T14 law schools? Specifically, I am aiming for Columbia.

This is wrong.

It's not necessarily wrong. This is mostly a human interest story about Asian Americans applying to undergrad, but there's some numbers as well.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/0 ... 28037.html

edit, typo.

BigTimeJewLawyer2B wrote:

westinghouse60 wrote: + 1 lol. And if whites were good at teh sciences like Asians are, they'd probably also try to go to med school more frequently rather than graduate with a liberal arts degree and go the law school route.

Agree 100%-while American school kids are sitting around playing Wii, wasting time on Facebook and Twitter, and getting obese at record rates, Chinese kids are doing Calculus and their parents are buying our debt.

Before long, we'll all be speaking Chinese

Alarmist. And you should probably be speaking Chinese already since over 1 billion people in the world speak some kind of it.

<-- Asian decided to go to law school with a B.Comm. We are too gifted in science subjects; going to business school or med school would make it too easy for us

BigTimeJewLawyer2B wrote:

cinephile wrote:No, I don't think so.

Also, you can choose not to report your race if you'd like.

That might work, unless his/her name was something like "Choo Sing Wah" or "Wing Tang Too."
I agree, though, ridiculous thread.

ahnhub wrote:for some reason law has never been as popular a choice among Asians

I've noticed this too. In many of the countries Asian parents are originally from, law is not considered a very prestigious occupation. There are several reasons for this, but the end result is that Asian immigrants are less likely to encourage / pressure their children into law.

westinghouse60 wrote:+ 1 lol. And if whites were good at teh sciences like Asians are, they'd probably also try to go to med school more frequently rather than graduate with a liberal arts degree and go the law school route.

You're forgetting Jews and Germans, dude.

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moneybagsphd wrote:

westinghouse60 wrote:+ 1 lol. And if whites were good at teh sciences like Asians are, they'd probably also try to go to med school more frequently rather than graduate with a liberal arts degree and go the law school route.

You're forgetting Jews and Germans, dude.

So Einstein really hit the jackpot, huh?

Edit: realized Schrodinger wasn't Jewish lol

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BigTimeJewLawyer2B wrote:

westinghouse60 wrote: + 1 lol. And if whites were good at teh sciences like Asians are, they'd probably also try to go to med school more frequently rather than graduate with a liberal arts degree and go the law school route.

Agree 100%-while American school kids are sitting around playing Wii, wasting time on Facebook and Twitter, and getting obese at record rates, Chinese kids are doing Calculus and their parents are buying our debt.

Before long, we'll all be speaking Chinese

I love this poster.

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