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So I'm guessing bu / Boston I'd be fine, but not so much in u of m /minneapolis lolrad lulz wrote:Depends on the school and market.ThreeRivers wrote:I'll be attending a school T20ish (1 is t20 one just outside... haven't made mine up), but I understand in this range there's a decent chance I'll end up living there. I applied to these schools because I really think I would enjoy living there / I know that going in to LS.
I currently don't have any real ties to either area though... would going to school there AND interning there in the summer be sufficient enough for schools to think I won't just bounce. I can understand hesitation if I leave during the summer, but I'm hoping staying year around might take away some of their fears...
Ties are very important/helpful for DC, LA, Chicago, and Boston. Not as much for NYC, but you need to be able to articulate a decent reason for why you want to be there, and having ties is always a positive.hoos89 wrote:Do ties really matter for the bigger markets? (NYC, DC, LA, Chicago, Boston)? I have decent ties to Boston and D.C. but not sure they'll be that helpful, and I don't really have any good ties to bigger secondary markets.
I can only vouch for LA ties, but the answer is yes.hoos89 wrote:Do ties really matter for the bigger markets? (NYC, DC, LA, Chicago, Boston)? I have decent ties to Boston and D.C. but not sure they'll be that helpful, and I don't really have any good ties to bigger secondary markets.
Boston is kind of secondary, isn't it?hoos89 wrote:Do ties really matter for the bigger markets? (NYC, DC, LA, Chicago, Boston)? I have decent ties to Boston and D.C. but not sure they'll be that helpful, and I don't really have any good ties to bigger secondary markets.
Well that's why 2Ls are better at predicting than my kind.rad lulz wrote:From what I've seen at OCI, it matters, but not in the way you think.Gail wrote:NYC it doesn't matter. DC it doesn't matter.
NYC - was more ties sensitive this year, as I think they were figuring out that people were using them as a backup market. Even if you could articulate with specificity why you wanted to be there. A couple examples I can think of just on TLS: southern UG, southern law school, good grades, multiple southern offers but none in NYC; midwest UG, midwest T14, IP no offers in NYC, offer in Chi. They're not as ties-sensitive, but if your resume screams that you've spent your whole life in a wildly disparate region, you *may* have problems.
DC - not really ties required (though helpful), as much as a demonstrated commitment (not BS) to some of the more specialized work they do there (admin and antitrust come to mind).
Sure, they're less ties sensitive, but it's a blatant falsehood to say that it doesn't matter for either market.
I agree with all of this, particularly the DC aspect.rad lulz wrote:From what I've seen at OCI, it matters, but not in the way you think.Gail wrote:NYC it doesn't matter. DC it doesn't matter.
NYC - was more ties sensitive this year, as I think they were figuring out that people were using them as a backup market. Even if you could articulate with specificity why you wanted to be there. A couple examples I can think of just on TLS: southern UG, southern law school, good grades, multiple southern offers but none in NYC; midwest UG, midwest T14, IP no offers in NYC, offer in Chi. They're not as ties-sensitive, but if your resume screams that you've spent your whole life in a wildly disparate region, you *may* have problems.
DC - not really ties required (though helpful), as much as a demonstrated commitment (not BS) to some of the more specialized work they do there (admin and antitrust come to mind).
Sure, they're less ties sensitive, but it's a blatant falsehood to say that it doesn't matter for either market.
rad lulz wrote:
DC - not really ties required (though helpful), as much as a demonstrated commitment (not BS) to some of the more specialized work they do there (admin and antitrust come to mind).
How helpful are ties to D.C. really? Enough to make up for not being in the top 1/3 of your class? Or is more important for the less grade selective D.C. firms with relatively small classes?5ky wrote:
I agree with all of this, particularly the DC aspect.
My personal experience would be to say that no, DC "ties" would not make up for being top 1/3. I was better than that and had pretty good DC "ties" and did poorly there.AreJay711 wrote:rad lulz wrote:
DC - not really ties required (though helpful), as much as a demonstrated commitment (not BS) to some of the more specialized work they do there (admin and antitrust come to mind).How helpful are ties to D.C. really? Enough to make up for not being in the top 1/3 of your class? Or is more important for the less grade selective D.C. firms with relatively small classes?5ky wrote:
I agree with all of this, particularly the DC aspect.
It's not that ties will give you a boost, it's that they will be something someone with the right "credentials" will have to overcome. It has also been said that DC ties are less about personal connections (which is important in, say, St. Louis) and more about having good reasons to want to do DC practice.AreJay711 wrote:rad lulz wrote:
DC - not really ties required (though helpful), as much as a demonstrated commitment (not BS) to some of the more specialized work they do there (admin and antitrust come to mind).How helpful are ties to D.C. really? Enough to make up for not being in the top 1/3 of your class? Or is more important for the less grade selective D.C. firms with relatively small classes?5ky wrote:
I agree with all of this, particularly the DC aspect.
Yeah, I think that saying "my wife's family grew up there and we want to move to the area" or "I grew up in the area (but left for UG and law school)" is going to do a lot less work in DC than other places.IAFG wrote: It's not that ties will give you a boost, it's that they will be something someone with the right "credentials" will have to overcome. It has also been said that DC ties are less about personal connections (which is important in, say, St. Louis) and more about having good reasons to want to do DC practice.
lol yeah, I feel the same way.hoos89 wrote:Well damn too bad I'm from VA.5ky wrote:Yeah, I think that saying "my wife's family grew up there and we want to move to the area" or "I grew up in the area (but left for UG and law school)" is going to do a lot less work in DC than other places.IAFG wrote: It's not that ties will give you a boost, it's that they will be something someone with the right "credentials" will have to overcome. It has also been said that DC ties are less about personal connections (which is important in, say, St. Louis) and more about having good reasons to want to do DC practice.