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hoos89 wrote:I'm honestly not sure how being the military affects your application, but my impression is that military service will give you a nice bump in the eyes of the admissions committees. Based on your numbers alone, I think you have a decent chance at getting into most of the T14 schools; HYS are your reach schools, and you are all but a lock for 20 on down. Best of luck!

lawyerwannabe wrote:

hoos89 wrote:I'm honestly not sure how being the military affects your application, but my impression is that military service will give you a nice bump in the eyes of the admissions committees. Based on your numbers alone, I think you have a decent chance at getting into most of the T14 schools; HYS are your reach schools, and you are all but a lock for 20 on down. Best of luck!

I know military XP is a great soft but unless I am horrible misinformed, this advice is awful.

First, the type of military XP (according to some on this board) can play a role in how big of a bump you will be given (combat XP, leadership roles, etc.).

Second, even with a pretty nice bump, CCN, let alone HYS, are pretty much completely out of reach IMO. Your reach schools are MVPDN.

I see your best chances in the T14 at Michigan, Cornell, and Georgetown.

lawyerwannabe wrote:

hoos89 wrote:I'm honestly not sure how being the military affects your application, but my impression is that military service will give you a nice bump in the eyes of the admissions committees. Based on your numbers alone, I think you have a decent chance at getting into most of the T14 schools; HYS are your reach schools, and you are all but a lock for 20 on down. Best of luck!

I know military XP is a great soft but unless I am horrible misinformed, this advice is awful.

First, the type of military XP (according to some on this board) can play a role in how big of a bump you will be given (combat XP, leadership roles, etc.).

Second, even with a pretty nice bump, CCN, let alone HYS, are pretty much completely out of reach IMO. Your reach schools are MVPDN.

I see your best chances in the T14 at Michigan, Cornell, and Georgetown.

Hjones33 wrote:I am not an expert and maybe someone with better knowledge could second me or tell me I am wrong but I think you should apply to Cal-Berkeley (Boalt). There is someone who has a 167 and a 3.9 on LSN that got in and was a non-URM. Also the common belief on Berkeley is that they actually look beyond the numbers and your service could look very attractive to them. I am not saying you are a sure bet in, but I would think you would have a shot. Good luck!

NYC Law wrote:ED to Virginia. They'll like the high GPA + Military experience. I've heard they're pretty fond of military. Other than that you'll be a reach/target at Michigan or Cornell, Vanderbilt is a decent possibility though. Alternatively, go to BU/BC/Fordham/GW, you should get some decent money out of them.

justinp wrote:Really, no one's said the obvious?

If you haven't taken three times, retake the LSAT, man! Really, really buckle down and study the HELL out of that test, bump your score up five points, and you're on target for CCN. Add seven points and you stand a decent shot at HYS. If you studied hard the first time, study harder. There is absolutely no reason why someone who can get a 167 can't get a 172. And that is the difference between median at bottom T14 and median at CCN.

I don't know jack about how adcomms view military service, but you have a really good shot at some bomb schools if you can just crank that up a few points.

lawyerwannabe wrote:

justinp wrote:Really, no one's said the obvious?

If you haven't taken three times, retake the LSAT, man! Really, really buckle down and study the HELL out of that test, bump your score up five points, and you're on target for CCN. Add seven points and you stand a decent shot at HYS. If you studied hard the first time, study harder. There is absolutely no reason why someone who can get a 167 can't get a 172. And that is the difference between median at bottom T14 and median at CCN.

I don't know jack about how adcomms view military service, but you have a really good shot at some bomb schools if you can just crank that up a few points.

Median what? Lower T-14 LSAT medians are mostly 170. He is far below T-14 LSAT medians (barring Cornell and Berkeley and, to a lesser extent, Michigan).

justinp wrote:

lawyerwannabe wrote:

justinp wrote:Really, no one's said the obvious?

If you haven't taken three times, retake the LSAT, man! Really, really buckle down and study the HELL out of that test, bump your score up five points, and you're on target for CCN. Add seven points and you stand a decent shot at HYS. If you studied hard the first time, study harder. There is absolutely no reason why someone who can get a 167 can't get a 172. And that is the difference between median at bottom T14 and median at CCN.

I don't know jack about how adcomms view military service, but you have a really good shot at some bomb schools if you can just crank that up a few points.

Median what? Lower T-14 LSAT medians are mostly 170. He is far below T-14 LSAT medians (barring Cornell and Berkeley and, to a lesser extent, Michigan).

No, lower T14 75th percentiles are mostly 170. A 170 is (most likely) median or above median at anywhere from Michigan on down based on the numbers the TLS ranking page shows. I say most likely because we only get the 25th-75th spread, but assuming a bell distribution blah blah blah it makes sense to just split the difference.

But point taken, he is a bit below median for bottom T14 as of now. So there's even more reason for him to retake, I guess.

hoos89 wrote:his gpa is 75th percentile range for a lot of T14s and his lsat is over most 25th percentiles