The reason for URM Boost Forum

lovejopd · Post by **lovejopd** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:24 pm

Hello, I have read so many times that law schools are primarily concerned with the combination of LSAT and GPA because of US NEWS ranking.

Out of curiosity, does admitting URMs actually help law schools boost their rankings? or it is just part of affirmative action that creates diversity in law schools even though it could hurt their ranking?

I am neither for nor against URM boost. Just want to know the rationale behind it other than diversity.

kahechsof · Post by **kahechsof** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:28 pm

lovejopd wrote:Please ban me

ftfy

lovejopd · Post by **lovejopd** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:31 pm

kahechsof wrote:
lovejopd wrote:Please ban me
ftfy

why?
Are you URM? I am really sorry if I pissed you off. but I still don't get what pissed you off

Transferthrowaway · Post by **Transferthrowaway** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:38 pm

kahechsof · Post by **kahechsof** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:41 pm

lovejopd wrote:
kahechsof wrote:
lovejopd wrote:Please ban me
ftfy
why?
Are you URM? I am really sorry if I pissed you off. but I still don't get what pissed you off

Heck no. I'm an ORM.
Just...

Transferthrowaway wrote:

lovejopd · Post by **lovejopd** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:49 pm

okay, You are pissed off because of ORM not getting URM Boost

Sorry if it has been asked haha

I only find how many LSAT points URM usually can get. Anyone really knows the answer?

kahechsof · Post by **kahechsof** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:51 pm

lovejopd wrote:okay, You are pissed off because of ORM not getting URM Boost
Sorry if it has been asked haha

I only find how many LSAT points URM usually can get. Anyone really knows the answer?

No, I'm in HSY. I don't care.

lovejopd · Post by **lovejopd** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:54 pm

kahechsof wrote:
lovejopd wrote:okay, You are pissed off because of ORM not getting URM Boost
Sorry if it has been asked haha

I only find how many LSAT points URM usually can get. Anyone really knows the answer?
No, I'm in HSY. I don't care.

If so, just get off my nuts. Your response does not help me at all.

kahechsof · Post by **kahechsof** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:56 pm

lovejopd wrote:
kahechsof wrote:
lovejopd wrote:okay, You are pissed off because of ORM not getting URM Boost
Sorry if it has been asked haha

I only find how many LSAT points URM usually can get. Anyone really knows the answer?
No, I'm in HSY. I don't care.
If so, just get off my nuts. Your response does not help me at all.

I know. But they usually ban anyone who talks about anything about URM besides the rules and what you can expect. So I was just getting it started for you.

lovejopd · Post by **lovejopd** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:00 pm

kahechsof wrote:
lovejopd wrote:
kahechsof wrote:
lovejopd wrote:okay, You are pissed off because of ORM not getting URM Boost
Sorry if it has been asked haha

I only find how many LSAT points URM usually can get. Anyone really knows the answer?
No, I'm in HSY. I don't care.
If so, just get off my nuts. Your response does not help me at all.
I know. But they usually ban anyone who talks about anything about URM besides the rules and what you can expect. So I was just getting it started for you.

Seriously? Why is talking about the reason for URM boost really taboo even though I explicitly said I am not against it? So what you mean is that it actually does not help the rankings of law schools, correct?

kahechsof · Post by **kahechsof** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:02 pm

lovejopd wrote:
Seriously? Why is talking about the reason for URM boost really taboo even though I explicitly said I am not against it? So what you mean is that it actually does not help the rankings of law schools, correct?

asking why is also taboo
I will probably be banned with you for telling you this, but I am willing to do it to help you.

071816 · Post by **071816** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:04 pm

lovejopd · Post by **lovejopd** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:04 pm

kahechsof wrote:
lovejopd wrote:
Seriously? Why is talking about the reason for URM boost really taboo even though I explicitly said I am not against it? So what you mean is that it actually does not help the rankings of law schools, correct?
asking why is also taboo
I will probably be banned with you for telling you this, but I am willing to do it to help you.

No way!

You don't know how much I love TLS and I come to TLS on a regular basis

drdolittle · Post by **drdolittle** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:07 pm

Read: Grutter v. Bollinger, 539 U.S. 306 (2003).

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:08 pm

drdolittle wrote:Read Grutter v. Bollinger, 539 U.S. 306 (2003).

kahechsof · Post by **kahechsof** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:11 pm

Grizz wrote:
drdolittle wrote:Read Grutter v. Bollinger, 539 U.S. 306 (2003).

OP is looking for why schools do it; not for what BS the court made up which they thought they could defend.

That's like someone asking why the federal govt wanted to regulate wheat in the depression, and pointing them to Wickard.

lovejopd · Post by **lovejopd** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:14 pm

kahechsof wrote:
Grizz wrote:
drdolittle wrote:Read Grutter v. Bollinger, 539 U.S. 306 (2003).
OP is looking for why schools do it; not for what BS the court made up which they thought they could defend.

That's like someone asking why the federal govt wanted to regulate wheat in the depression, and pointing them to Wickard.

Yeah. I read this case. I am NOT saying why law schools should or should not accept URMs.

Question is Does Diversity helps the U.S. law school ranking? and Why does the status of URM seem to outweigh the U.S. ranking even though you guys are saying law schools are all number game.

You got me twisted...sorry about the confusion

drdolittle · Post by **drdolittle** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:15 pm

kahechsof wrote:
Grizz wrote:
drdolittle wrote:Read Grutter v. Bollinger, 539 U.S. 306 (2003).
OP is looking for why schools do it; not for what BS the court made up which they thought they could defend.

That's like someone asking why the federal govt wanted to regulate wheat in the depression, and pointing them to Wickard.

LOL. The decision explains the reasons behind the policy. You may not agree with it for your own BS reasons (or whatever), but it is the argument.

kahechsof · Post by **kahechsof** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:19 pm

drdolittle wrote:
kahechsof wrote:
Grizz wrote:
drdolittle wrote:Read Grutter v. Bollinger, 539 U.S. 306 (2003).
OP is looking for why schools do it; not for what BS the court made up which they thought they could defend.

That's like someone asking why the federal govt wanted to regulate wheat in the depression, and pointing them to Wickard.
LOL. The decision explains the reasons behind the policy. You may not agree with it for your own BS reasons (or whatever), but it is the argument.

It is not likely that it is the reasoning of the schools for practicing it. There are too many unanswerable questions if that is so, and the other reasons are much more likely anyway.
The decision explains the courts reasons for not striking it down. Hence by comparison to Wickard.

lovejopd · Post by **lovejopd** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:21 pm

Thank you guys all. It is enough now for me. I should read Nietzsche again for exam

Have a good night all.

AspiringAcademic · Post by **AspiringAcademic** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:43 pm

To the OPs actual question:
http://www.usnews.com/education/best-gr ... ology-2012

There is no direct measure of diversity in the rankings formula. One could make a case for it being indirectly relevant to the rankings through the reputation measure, or to it being necessary to attract high quality applicants, but I imagine that the actual reasons for the policy are not related to rankings.

Betharl · Post by **Betharl** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:59 pm

I don’t know why everyone was jumping on the OP for asking this question. It seems like a legit question to me and I don't think he/she was fishing for an AA debate. The OP is asking if the amount/% of URMs a school takes factors into the USNWR rankings. I know the academic profile of incoming students, employment stats, and reputation scores are factors in a school's rank, I am not sure what/if anything else is included.

I think this is an especially relevant question given the current environment for law school admissions. Applications are falling and schools are trying to maintain their medians, it follows that if the amount of URMs a school takes has little affect on the school's ranking, schools may opt to take less URMs with low numbers and go for people with higher LSATs/GPAs. This would mean URMs with low numbers would get less of a boost. Likewise, I could see schools recruiting URMs with high numbers even more aggressively in order to both preserve their medians and bring in a diverse class.

Edit: To the poster above me, thanks for answering the question. Interesting.

john1990 · Post by **john1990** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:48 pm

kahechsof · Post by **kahechsof** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:52 pm

john1990 wrote:IBTL

JTB (Join The Banned)

Kabuo · Post by **Kabuo** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:02 pm

I love the threads that have me rolling my eyes just from the title.

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