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...schools should not be allowed to do +/- grading if they do not give A+. Inherently unfair.

That is all.

sounds like my old University. You aren't in Canada are you?

There's no A+ at my university. Would have been awesome if there was.

A+'s saved my GPA.

shoeshine wrote:A+'s saved my GPA.

+1

To the limited extent my GPA was salvageable, of course.

I had this same thought, OP.

Not that there are a ton of A+ grades tossed around in engineering classes, but all my semi-retarded humanities classes could've helped.

Yea definitely felt at a disadvantage that my university didn't offer A+'s while others did.

No A+s at my school, either. Would've been nice.

My University did not give any A+s. Unfortunately, they did gave out A-s.

I'd rather phrase it as "schools shouldn't be allowed to give out A+ grades"

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LSAC shouldn't count the +or- IMO. My school only has minuses, for example

I agree that the current grading systems don't make sense. I believe all colleges and universities (undergrad and graduate) schools should give numerical grades as individual assignment and course grades, as do some schools. The system is less prone to error and allows for better differentiation between students because professors get to assess students more specifically via the use of decimals. Plus LSAC and GMAC would not have to engage in conversions.

For instance, profs at the University of Washington grade assignments and courses on a scale from 0.0 to 4.0, and they can grade to the nearest tenth. For example, a student's grades for one quarter might be 4.0, 4.0 and 3.0.

The quarterly GPA would be calculated by multiplying the garade point for a course (for example a 4.0) by the number of course credits (say 5, which is what a course that meets five days a week would be worth). For that course, a person would receive 20 grade points.

Lets say that a person had took three courses and totaled 49 grade points for the quarter:

20 + 20 + 9.

If the student took three courses, two at 5 credits each (and earned 4.0 in each) and one for 3 credits (earning a 3.0 grade), the quarterly GPA would be calculated as follows:

49 divided by 13 for a 3.77 Quarter GPA (it would also work that way if a student received those grades on three assignments in a course (assuming the weights 5 to 5 to 3).

Just imagine if the persons grades were 3.7, 3.6 and 3.9. Over the long haul, the numerical grading system is so much more accurate because of the specificity begins with numerical grades on specific assignments.

If someone argues that the scale should be 0.0 to 4.4, I can agree with that, but the letter grade system is obsolete.

I PM'd Dean Pless at UIllinois to see if Deans recognize that it would be easier to get a higher GPA at a school that gives A+ than a school that doesn't. I don't think he understood my question because his answer was something along the lines of "Yes, if you get A+s... it'll boost your cumulative LSDAS GPA"

Hopefully2012 wrote:I PM'd Dean Pless at UIllinois to see if Deans recognize that it would be easier to get a higher GPA at a school that gives A+ than a school that doesn't. I don't think he understood my question because his answer was something along the lines of "Yes, if you get A+s... it'll boost your cumulative LSDAS GPA"

Well, it is unfair that people get high 90s percentages in class but then only get an A when others get an A+, but keep in mind that many of these A+ schools grade on a curve in most of their classes. Which would be a worse than the benefit of possibly getting an A+ IMO.

Yukos wrote:My original problem with GPAs is A-'s bring it down while A+'s do nothing to help it. LSAC fixed that so I have no complaints (yay TTT state university grades)

Wait, LSAC fixed that? How so?

I have a bunch of A- on my GPA, but 3 (yes, THREE) 99+% in classes that were not listed as A+ due to there being no such thing as an A+ at my school.

And I'm not in Canada, I'm in CA. ...Although I *am* an honorary canadian (and don't ask me what that took).

minnbills wrote:

Hopefully2012 wrote:I PM'd Dean Pless at UIllinois to see if Deans recognize that it would be easier to get a higher GPA at a school that gives A+ than a school that doesn't. I don't think he understood my question because his answer was something along the lines of "Yes, if you get A+s... it'll boost your cumulative LSDAS GPA"

Well, it is unfair that people get high 90s percentages in class but then only get an A when others get an A+, but keep in mind that many of these A+ schools grade on a curve in most of their classes. Which would be a worse than the benefit of possibly getting an A+ IMO.

Does any school curve math/science/engineering classes? That would seem absurd to me. The answer's either right or wrong, no matter how many people in the class got it right.

rinkrat19 wrote:

minnbills wrote:

Hopefully2012 wrote:I PM'd Dean Pless at UIllinois to see if Deans recognize that it would be easier to get a higher GPA at a school that gives A+ than a school that doesn't. I don't think he understood my question because his answer was something along the lines of "Yes, if you get A+s... it'll boost your cumulative LSDAS GPA"

Well, it is unfair that people get high 90s percentages in class but then only get an A when others get an A+, but keep in mind that many of these A+ schools grade on a curve in most of their classes. Which would be a worse than the benefit of possibly getting an A+ IMO.

Does any school curve math/science/engineering classes? That would seem absurd to me. The answer's either right or wrong, no matter how many people in the class got it right.

Yeah I'm pretty sure most of the higher level science courses are curved at my ug

minnbills wrote:

rinkrat19 wrote:

minnbills wrote:

Hopefully2012 wrote:I PM'd Dean Pless at UIllinois to see if Deans recognize that it would be easier to get a higher GPA at a school that gives A+ than a school that doesn't. I don't think he understood my question because his answer was something along the lines of "Yes, if you get A+s... it'll boost your cumulative LSDAS GPA"

Well, it is unfair that people get high 90s percentages in class but then only get an A when others get an A+, but keep in mind that many of these A+ schools grade on a curve in most of their classes. Which would be a worse than the benefit of possibly getting an A+ IMO.

Does any school curve math/science/engineering classes? That would seem absurd to me. The answer's either right or wrong, no matter how many people in the class got it right.

Yeah I'm pretty sure most of the higher level science courses are curved at my ug

That's retarded. So if every person in the class gets every question on an exam right, everyone gets a C?

Or is not a true bell curve, so that the highest grades in the class just set what an A is?

rinkrat19 wrote:That's retarded. So if every person in the class gets every question on an exam right, everyone gets a C?

Or is not a true bell curve, so that the highest grades in the class just set what an A is?

Nobody ever gets everything right. A friend of mine who takes these classes would get 40% right and get an A- or B+.

Most people end up with Cs or low Bs is my understanding.

EDITed to take out the stupidity

rinkrat19 wrote:Does any school curve math/science/engineering classes? That would seem absurd to me. The answer's either right or wrong, no matter how many people in the class got it right.

That sounds as though it betrays an ignorance of how upper-level mathematics courses are run, and what they require, but I'm not sure I understand you, and thus might be missing the good point you're trying to make. How do you suggest they should be graded?

rinkrat19 wrote:

minnbills wrote:

Hopefully2012 wrote:I PM'd Dean Pless at UIllinois to see if Deans recognize that it would be easier to get a higher GPA at a school that gives A+ than a school that doesn't. I don't think he understood my question because his answer was something along the lines of "Yes, if you get A+s... it'll boost your cumulative LSDAS GPA"

Well, it is unfair that people get high 90s percentages in class but then only get an A when others get an A+, but keep in mind that many of these A+ schools grade on a curve in most of their classes. Which would be a worse than the benefit of possibly getting an A+ IMO.

Does any school curve math/science/engineering classes? That would seem absurd to me. The answer's either right or wrong, no matter how many people in the class got it right.

A test where anyone gets a 100% is a poor test.

Desert Fox wrote:

rinkrat19 wrote:

minnbills wrote:

Hopefully2012 wrote:I PM'd Dean Pless at UIllinois to see if Deans recognize that it would be easier to get a higher GPA at a school that gives A+ than a school that doesn't. I don't think he understood my question because his answer was something along the lines of "Yes, if you get A+s... it'll boost your cumulative LSDAS GPA"

Well, it is unfair that people get high 90s percentages in class but then only get an A when others get an A+, but keep in mind that many of these A+ schools grade on a curve in most of their classes. Which would be a worse than the benefit of possibly getting an A+ IMO.

Does any school curve math/science/engineering classes? That would seem absurd to me. The answer's either right or wrong, no matter how many people in the class got it right.

A test where anyone gets a 100% is a poor test.

Please don't talk about our sacred LSAT like that.

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Sorry bro, but I LOOOOOOVE my A+s