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Hello, after researching the question extensively, it seems quite likely that the NC I earned in an English 101 course at UT during my junior year of high school will probably be counted as an F by LSDAS, wreaking havoc to my 3.85 GPA.

Now that I am heading into my sophomore year of College, it seems unfair that a grade earned before I was even old enough to vote, and which isn't even counted as an F at my undergraduate institution, will keep me from having any realistic chance at getting into top tier law schools. Is there anything I or my University might be able to do to prevent this disaster from happening?

jreeve12 wrote:Hello, after researching the question extensively, it seems quite likely that the NC I earned in an English 101 course at UT during my junior year of high school will probably be counted as an F by LSDAS, wreaking havoc to my 3.85 GPA.

Now that I am heading into my sophomore year of College, it seems unfair that a grade earned before I was even old enough to vote, and which isn't even counted as an F at my undergraduate institution, will keep me from having any realistic chance at getting into top tier law schools. Is there anything I or my University might be able to do to prevent this disaster from happening?

You have three more years of college to mitigate the effect of the NC. Relax. Keep up your GPA and you'll be fine.

There's nothing you can do, but like Gaia said, it's not disastrous. Keep up your GPA, rock the LSAT, and you'll be fine.

Look into a retroactive withdrawal, but there probably is nothing you can do. Keep up the 3.8+ and you'll be fine.

Moreover, you can write an addendum if it does wind up significantly altering your LSDAS GPA. A self-serving "I got a bad grade because I hadn't yet found my passion" addendum is one thing, but a "I took college courses while in high school but LSAC considers that an F" might actually carry some weight with admissions people.

Also, you're only a sophomore in college: you've got plenty of time to decide not to go to law school. But seriously, no need to stress about it now.

I just found out that, at the University of Tennessee, an NC grade is anything at or below a C. I suppose that LSDAS could care less and will count it as an F anyway?

You could check out the lsac website or even email to ask. The answer is probably, but hopefully 1 NC course won't make a big difference.

one F is a bigger deal than most people are making it out to be in this thread. try to do whatever you can to get it removed and contact LSAC right away. you have to get 10 A's to offset 1 F into an A- (I think). Def. still possible to get a high GPA but OP would not have a 3.85 GPA w/ an F thrown in there.

bartleby wrote:one F is a bigger deal than most people are making it out to be in this thread. try to do whatever you can to get it removed and contact LSAC right away. you have to get 10 A's to offset 1 F into an A- (I think). Def. still possible to get a high GPA but OP would not have a 3.85 GPA w/ an F thrown in there.

Uh, assuming like 3 credits of an F in the face of probably over a hundred credits of A/A-s, is really not as damaging as you think it is.

Pretty sure he has six semesters of college, and if he's super scared about it, two additional summers of classes, to handle this issue. And given that OP has demonstrated that he's capable of earning a high GPA, all he needs to do is keep it up. He can certainly have a great GPA when it comes time to apply to schools.

Also, adcomms only care about UG cumulative GPA. Does anyone really think that he will be barred from the T6 because he got one F in high school even though he maintained a 3.8+ for his undergraduate career? Come on.....

One F is actually a pretty big deal. If you get 120 credits of A's, then your GPA will be a 3.9 instead of a 4.0. However, if you apply as a senior with 90 credits of A's, then your GPA will be a 3.87. A senior with a 3.85 will see his GPA drop to a 3.73.

My advice is to not send the transcript. If the LSAC doesn't find out, then great. If it does, then it will just notify you that you must submit all transcripts before your application is complete.

Am I understanding the situation OP is in correctly? If you got credit for a class but no grade, (my case through AP in high school) are those classes considered an F? That cant be tight so I am assuming I am incorrect.

Br3v wrote:Am I understanding the situation OP is in correctly? If you got credit for a class but no grade, (my case through AP in high school) are those classes considered an F? That cant be tight so I am assuming I am incorrect.

no

fatduck wrote:

Br3v wrote:Am I understanding the situation OP is in correctly? If you got credit for a class but no grade, (my case through AP in high school) are those classes considered an F? That cant be tight so I am assuming I am incorrect.

no

So those classes are NOT considered an F. They just don't go into calculating your GPA?

Br3v wrote:

fatduck wrote:

Br3v wrote:Am I understanding the situation OP is in correctly? If you got credit for a class but no grade, (my case through AP in high school) are those classes considered an F? That cant be tight so I am assuming I am incorrect.

no

So those classes are NOT considered an F. They just don't go into calculating your GPA?

yes

jreeve12 wrote:Hello, after researching the question extensively, it seems quite likely that the NC I earned in an English 101 course at UT during my junior year of high school will probably be counted as an F by LSDAS, wreaking havoc to my 3.85 GPA.

Now that I am heading into my sophomore year of College, it seems unfair that a grade earned before I was even old enough to vote, and which isn't even counted as an F at my undergraduate institution, will keep me from having any realistic chance at getting into top tier law schools. Is there anything I or my University might be able to do to prevent this disaster from happening?

This NC is appearing on your college transcript? I bombed a shit ton of AP classes in high school. I don't think I went to my physics class more than 10 times. My college transcript simply put "CR" on the ones that they counted and ignored the others--and from what I gather that situation is completely normal. You must go to UT right and you're just kept in their system? Try explaining the situation to the dean.

TheKingintheNorth wrote:

jreeve12 wrote:Hello, after researching the question extensively, it seems quite likely that the NC I earned in an English 101 course at UT during my junior year of high school will probably be counted as an F by LSDAS, wreaking havoc to my 3.85 GPA.

Now that I am heading into my sophomore year of College, it seems unfair that a grade earned before I was even old enough to vote, and which isn't even counted as an F at my undergraduate institution, will keep me from having any realistic chance at getting into top tier law schools. Is there anything I or my University might be able to do to prevent this disaster from happening?

This NC is appearing on your college transcript? I bombed a shit ton of AP classes in high school. I don't think I went to my physics class more than 10 times. My college transcript simply put "CR" on the ones that they counted and ignored the others--and from what I gather that situation is completely normal. You must go to UT right and you're just kept in their system? Try explaining the situation to the dean.

he's talking about a college course he took in high school, not an AP class

I'm pretty sure Cornell dinged me because of my 0 credit NC from Freshman year. Why else wouldn't they take me? I'm golden!

Seriously, you got fucked, but why did you get NC in the first place.

fatduck wrote:

TheKingintheNorth wrote:

jreeve12 wrote:Hello, after researching the question extensively, it seems quite likely that the NC I earned in an English 101 course at UT during my junior year of high school will probably be counted as an F by LSDAS, wreaking havoc to my 3.85 GPA.

Now that I am heading into my sophomore year of College, it seems unfair that a grade earned before I was even old enough to vote, and which isn't even counted as an F at my undergraduate institution, will keep me from having any realistic chance at getting into top tier law schools. Is there anything I or my University might be able to do to prevent this disaster from happening?

This NC is appearing on your college transcript? I bombed a shit ton of AP classes in high school. I don't think I went to my physics class more than 10 times. My college transcript simply put "CR" on the ones that they counted and ignored the others--and from what I gather that situation is completely normal. You must go to UT right and you're just kept in their system? Try explaining the situation to the dean.

he's talking about a college course he took in high school, not an AP class

like OP took a community college course while enrolled in high school still?

Br3v wrote:

fatduck wrote:

TheKingintheNorth wrote:

jreeve12 wrote:Hello, after researching the question extensively, it seems quite likely that the NC I earned in an English 101 course at UT during my junior year of high school will probably be counted as an F by LSDAS, wreaking havoc to my 3.85 GPA.

Now that I am heading into my sophomore year of College, it seems unfair that a grade earned before I was even old enough to vote, and which isn't even counted as an F at my undergraduate institution, will keep me from having any realistic chance at getting into top tier law schools. Is there anything I or my University might be able to do to prevent this disaster from happening?

This NC is appearing on your college transcript? I bombed a shit ton of AP classes in high school. I don't think I went to my physics class more than 10 times. My college transcript simply put "CR" on the ones that they counted and ignored the others--and from what I gather that situation is completely normal. You must go to UT right and you're just kept in their system? Try explaining the situation to the dean.

he's talking about a college course he took in high school, not an AP class

like OP took a community college course while enrolled in high school still?

no, if you read his post, he took a college english course at the University of Texas Tennessee. many high schools offer this sort of dual enrollment.

From UT (Knoxville's) site:

Repeating Courses
A student may repeat a course which he or she has completed, provided that no course may be repeated in which the student has earned a 2.0 or better on a graded basis or a Satisfactory on an S/NC basis. The course must be repeated on the same grade basis (either numerical or S/NC) as originally taken. A student repeating a course in which credit was earned will receive no additional credit toward graduation. Both grades, however, will appear on the transcript, except for S/NC grades, and both grades will be used when determining cumulative average.

From LSAC.org


2. The original grade for a repeated course when the transcript does not show both the grade and the units for the original attempt. The total number of credits assigned to these grades will appear on the applicant’s LSDAS summary, but will not be included in the GPA calculation.


I think you're gonna want to see how retakes of that class happen assuming you haven't taken English 101 yet.



e: I don't know how it works at public schools. I imagine there's a lot more red tape, but when I was an undergraduate this kind of problem really only required a trip to the dean who would handle it. I know it's the summer, but you should make some phone calls. You'll be surprised how helpful your school might be.

TheKingintheNorth wrote:From UT (Knoxville's) site:

Repeating Courses
A student may repeat a course which he or she has completed, provided that no course may be repeated in which the student has earned a 2.0 or better on a graded basis or a Satisfactory on an S/NC basis. The course must be repeated on the same grade basis (either numerical or S/NC) as originally taken. A student repeating a course in which credit was earned will receive no additional credit toward graduation. Both grades, however, will appear on the transcript, except for S/NC grades, and both grades will be used when determining cumulative average.

From LSAC.org


2. The original grade for a repeated course when the transcript does not show both the grade and the units for the original attempt. The total number of credits assigned to these grades will appear on the applicant’s LSDAS summary, but will not be included in the GPA calculation.


I think you're gonna want to see how retakes of that class happen assuming you haven't taken English 101 yet.

Hmm, might be a good way to weasel out of this.

Hi,

By "Dean," do you mean something along the lines of "Dean of the College of Arts and Sciences" or the head of the University? At your school, what would the Dean do to handle a situation like this?

I checked out UT's policy on repeats. The original grade stays on the transcript with the number of attempted hours, but is not counted in the GPA. Unfortunately, once again, LSDAS seems to care less and factors it into your GPA anyway.

jreeve12 wrote:I checked out UT's policy on repeats. The original grade stays on the transcript with the number of attempted hours, but is not counted in the GPA. Unfortunately, once again, LSDAS seems to care less and factors it into your GPA anyway.

Both grades, however, will appear on the transcript, except for S/NC grades, and both grades will be used when determining cumulative average.

and re: Dean, you should probably talk to the Dean of Students?

fatduck wrote:

jreeve12 wrote:I checked out UT's policy on repeats. The original grade stays on the transcript with the number of attempted hours, but is not counted in the GPA. Unfortunately, once again, LSDAS seems to care less and factors it into your GPA anyway.

Both grades, however, will appear on the transcript, except for S/NC grades, and both grades will be used when determining cumulative average.

and re: Dean, you should probably talk to the Dean of Students?

students not college

futurelawstudent1 wrote:One F is actually a pretty big deal. If you get 120 credits of A's, then your GPA will be a 3.9 instead of a 4.0. However, if you apply as a senior with 90 credits of A's, then your GPA will be a 3.87. A senior with a 3.85 will see his GPA drop to a 3.73.

My advice is to not send the transcript. If the LSAC doesn't find out, then great. If it does, then it will just notify you that you must submit all transcripts before your application is complete.

How would the OP explain that for C&F purposes if it comes to that? I doubt C&F will find out but some states do ask for your LSAC Number etc (Texas does, I think, but I could be wrong).