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What are my chances for ED at Columbia and UPenn?

GPA: 2.8 (2F, 2D)
LSAT: 179
Undergrad: Top public, majored in Applied Math.
Work Exp: Will have 6 months at the time of application, but worked extensively throughout my undergrad years.

Thanks for your input.

Sorry but I doubt you have any chance. With that fantastic LSAT I am almost inclined to think you should return to school and try to boost your GPA. Alternatively, you could work for a couple of years and try ED to Northwestern.

canuck wrote:Sorry but I doubt you have any chance. With that fantastic LSAT I am almost inclined to think you should return to school and try to boost your GPA. Alternatively, you could work for a couple of years and try ED to Northwestern.

Once you get your first undergraduate degree, you cant boost your gpa. it is set in stone

Both are reaches, but UPenn might be more likely to bite. Either way ED to one of them and when that fails, ED to UVA, home of the splitters (although your numbers may be a bit too extreme for even them!). Good luck!

northwood wrote:

canuck wrote:Sorry but I doubt you have any chance. With that fantastic LSAT I am almost inclined to think you should return to school and try to boost your GPA. Alternatively, you could work for a couple of years and try ED to Northwestern.

Once you get your first undergraduate degree, you cant boost your gpa. it is set in stone

This may be true at some schools, but I know lots of people who have returned for a semester or two to boost their GPA.

i'm pretty sure UVA has a quite distinct cutoff at 3.0 for extreme splitters - anything below that hurts their GPA medians too much to make even a 179 worth it - and you are considerably below that at 2.8. barring a miracle, i'd say no way for any of them.

actually, i agree with one above poster to get some meaningful work experience in and try NU if you are set on going to a top school

Any upward trend and/or explanation for your GPA?

canuck wrote:

northwood wrote:

canuck wrote:Sorry but I doubt you have any chance. With that fantastic LSAT I am almost inclined to think you should return to school and try to boost your GPA. Alternatively, you could work for a couple of years and try ED to Northwestern.

Once you get your first undergraduate degree, you cant boost your gpa. it is set in stone

This may be true at some schools, but I know lots of people who have returned for a semester or two to boost their GPA.

It's true for your LSAC GPA, which is all that matters. They don't calculate into your official GPA any grades obtained after you were awarded your first undergrad degree.

paulinaporizkova wrote:i'm pretty sure UVA has a quite distinct cutoff at 3.0 for extreme splitters - anything below that hurts their GPA medians too much to make even a 179 worth it - and you are considerably below that at 2.8. barring a miracle, i'd say no way for any of them.

actually, i agree with one above poster to get some meaningful work experience in and try NU if you are set on going to a top school

A 2.0 has the same effect on the median as a 3.0 at these schools. Nevertheless, you are correct that many schools do seem to have ~3.0 floors.

OP: Your chances at either Chi or Penn are not very good. ED can be a big boost for a splitter but without work experience it will be difficult to convince them you will take law school seriously.

Work experience + ED at NU

or ED at GULC PT

Enjoy.

UVa ED is probably your best bet although not a shoe in. Other sub-3.0's have gotten in, especially early in the cycle but they seem to be having a harder and harder 3.0 floor as of late. Since they do 15 day turn around, you should ED UVa first and then ED GULC PT after that (which you have a decent chance at).

However, your absolute best bet for T14 is NU ED. If you were to get at least a year of full time work experience post graduation then NU ED would be a shoe in. With only 6 months it is highly unlikely.

Columbia is definitely out and though I have seen Penn waitlist some sub-3.0's, I have never seen any get in so I would say it is definitely not worth it.

paulinaporizkova wrote: - anything below that hurts their GPA medians too much to make even a 179 worth it -

/facepalm

And this is why future lawyers were never math majors.

GULC is likely going to make Part Time to Full Time transfers next to impossible. I would not adivse anyone to ED to the PT program who does not have PT as a first preference in the first place. IMO, with a 179 you may get in if you ED FT anyway.

bk187 wrote:

paulinaporizkova wrote: - anything below that hurts their GPA medians too much to make even a 179 worth it -

/facepalm

And this is why future lawyers were never math majors.

She meant mean. For the love of God, she meant mean.

glitched wrote:She meant mean. For the love of God, she meant mean.

Not sold if she actually did. And even if that is what she meant, then it's still dumb, albeit for a different reason.

bk187 wrote:

glitched wrote:She meant mean. For the love of God, she meant mean.

Not sold if she actually did. And even if that is what she meant, then it's still dumb, albeit for a different reason.

you guys, i'm a man......




jk. ok, everyone has their facepalm moments so this is mine. i think i know what i meant originally, but i'm going to concede this one. at some point, a 180 will cease to atone for a low-ass GPA, even if your initials are U.V.A., amiright? median vs. mean, they start with the same fucking letter don't they? i swear i'm not dumm, TLS police. doun't revoke my akseptances.

Law school predictor has OP' as "weak consider" for Columbia, and "consider" for Penn.

Michigan has him as a "strong consider", and Cornell as "admit"

bk187 wrote:UVa ED is probably your best bet although not a shoe in. Other sub-3.0's have gotten in, especially early in the cycle but they seem to be having a harder and harder 3.0 floor as of late. Since they do 15 day turn around, you should ED UVa first and then ED GULC PT after that (which you have a decent chance at).

However, your absolute best bet for T14 is NU ED. If you were to get at least a year of full time work experience post graduation then NU ED would be a shoe in. With only 6 months it is highly unlikely.

Columbia is definitely out and though I have seen Penn waitlist some sub-3.0's, I have never seen any get in so I would say it is definitely not worth it.

paulinaporizkova wrote: - anything below that hurts their GPA medians too much to make even a 179 worth it -

/facepalm

And this is why future lawyers were never math majors.

Don't you mean "shoo in"?
What the hell is a "shoe in"?

well-hello-there wrote:

bk187 wrote:UVa ED is probably your best bet although not a shoe in. Other sub-3.0's have gotten in, especially early in the cycle but they seem to be having a harder and harder 3.0 floor as of late. Since they do 15 day turn around, you should ED UVa first and then ED GULC PT after that (which you have a decent chance at).

However, your absolute best bet for T14 is NU ED. If you were to get at least a year of full time work experience post graduation then NU ED would be a shoe in. With only 6 months it is highly unlikely.

Columbia is definitely out and though I have seen Penn waitlist some sub-3.0's, I have never seen any get in so I would say it is definitely not worth it.

paulinaporizkova wrote: - anything below that hurts their GPA medians too much to make even a 179 worth it -

/facepalm

And this is why future lawyers were never math majors.

Don't you mean "shoo in"?
What the hell is a "shoe in"?

Actually, I looked this up once, and technically it should be "shoo-in" (with a hyphen) - it has something to do with horse racing, I forget what exactly. However, the phrase has been so heavily bastardized that "shoe in" is now generally accepted as well, as many like to think it has something to do with having "one foot in the door."

amorfati wrote: Actually, I looked this up once, and technically it should be "shoo-in" (with a hyphen) - it has something to do with horse racing, I forget what exactly. However, the phrase has been so heavily bastardized that "shoe in" is now generally accepted as well, as many like to think it has something to do with having "one foot in the door."

accepted by who? all the people who don't even know what they're saying?

and getting one foot in the door is not the same as being shooed-in.

paulinaporizkova wrote:i'm pretty sure UVA has a quite distinct cutoff at 3.0 for extreme splitters - anything below that hurts their GPA medians too much to make even a 179 worth it - and you are considerably below that at 2.8. barring a miracle, i'd say no way for any of them.

actually, i agree with one above poster to get some meaningful work experience in and try NU if you are set on going to a top school

I heavily disagree. He can get in T-14 with his LSAT. Michigan and Cornell will let him in before UVA does. Splitters are hard to predict, but he has a shot.

@amorfati: Thanks for the interesting info.

well-hello-there wrote:

amorfati wrote: Actually, I looked this up once, and technically it should be "shoo-in" (with a hyphen) - it has something to do with horse racing, I forget what exactly. However, the phrase has been so heavily bastardized that "shoe in" is now generally accepted as well, as many like to think it has something to do with having "one foot in the door."

accepted by who? all the people who don't even know what they're saying?

and getting one foot in the door is not the same as being shooed-in.

Oh holier than thou grammar nerd how ever can I redeem myself in your eyes?

Miracle wrote:

paulinaporizkova wrote:i'm pretty sure UVA has a quite distinct cutoff at 3.0 for extreme splitters - anything below that hurts their GPA medians too much to make even a 179 worth it - and you are considerably below that at 2.8. barring a miracle, i'd say no way for any of them.

actually, i agree with one above poster to get some meaningful work experience in and try NU if you are set on going to a top school

I heavily disagree. He can get in T-14 with his LSAT. Michigan and Cornell will let him in before UVA does. Splitters are hard to predict, but he has a shot.

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

well-hello-there wrote:

amorfati wrote: Actually, I looked this up once, and technically it should be "shoo-in" (with a hyphen) - it has something to do with horse racing, I forget what exactly. However, the phrase has been so heavily bastardized that "shoe in" is now generally accepted as well, as many like to think it has something to do with having "one foot in the door."

accepted by who? all the people who don't even know what they're saying?

bk187 wrote:@amorfati: Thanks for the interesting info.

well-hello-there wrote:

amorfati wrote: Actually, I looked this up once, and technically it should be "shoo-in" (with a hyphen) - it has something to do with horse racing, I forget what exactly. However, the phrase has been so heavily bastardized that "shoe in" is now generally accepted as well, as many like to think it has something to do with having "one foot in the door."

accepted by who? all the people who don't even know what they're saying?

and getting one foot in the door is not the same as being shooed-in.

Oh holier than thou grammar nerd how ever can I redeem myself in your eyes?

actually, i wasn't correcting you for improper grammar. What you did is much, MUCH WORSE! I'm not sure it's possible to redeem yourself from this one but if you let me borrow that gandalf-magneto tee shirt, i'll put in a good word for you.

n-e-way...just thought it would be funny/ironic to point out your mistake in a post where you are pointing out paulina's mistake....double facepalm!

Desert Fox wrote:

Miracle wrote:

paulinaporizkova wrote:i'm pretty sure UVA has a quite distinct cutoff at 3.0 for extreme splitters - anything below that hurts their GPA medians too much to make even a 179 worth it - and you are considerably below that at 2.8. barring a miracle, i'd say no way for any of them.

actually, i agree with one above poster to get some meaningful work experience in and try NU if you are set on going to a top school

I heavily disagree. He can get in T-14 with his LSAT. Michigan and Cornell will let him in before UVA does. Splitters are hard to predict, but he has a shot.

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

You're right. You do!

To say that OP can't get in any T-14 is absurd.

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