Top Law Schools

Using 2012 data from this thread: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... s#p3185309

From smallest to biggest class sizes:
1. Stanford University 170
2. University of Chicago 191
3. Cornell University 205
4. Yale University 214
5. Duke University 228
6. University of Pennsylvania 255
7. Northwestern University 271
8. University of California – Berkeley 292
9. University of Virginia 368
10. University of Michigan 371
11. Columbia University 397
12. New York University 450
13. Georgetown University 463
14. Harvard University 559

very curious.

is georgetown the only one of T14 w/ a part-time program?

Interesting! I didn't realize Chicago was so small

ITT: Knock finds a way to rank Stanford 1st

ETA: bonus points for Chicago being second. Eski loves you extraz nao.

Haha. I was surprised, I thought you'd rank it the opposite way.

megaTTTron wrote:Haha. I was surprised, I thought you'd rank it the opposite way.

lol read post above

Knock's next thread: "T14 Ranked by Proximity to Stanford, CA"

Guess which one comes out on top!

I posted this in the other thread where Knock posted this, but I think I do remember there being info that Georgetown is lowering its PT a bit (becoming more selective) and consequently bumping up its FT class size. I could be wrong, but 463 could be somewhat of an important distinction from 500+.

Wow, I thought Georgetown had a larger 1L class than Havard.

For those that care enough to read but not enough to add, thats 4434 spaces. Which means, according to TLS wisdom, each year only 443.4 lawyers are hired. The rest become janitors.

SemperLegal wrote:For those that care enough to read but not enough to add, thats 4434 spaces. Which means according to TLS wisdom each year only 443.4 lawyers are hired, with the rest becoming janitors.

FTW

Bildungsroman wrote:Knock's next thread: "T14 Ranked by Proximity to Stanford, CA"

Guess which one comes out on top!

+1

hahaha

SemperLegal wrote:For those that care enough to read but not enough to add, thats 4434 spaces. Which means, according to TLS wisdom, each year only 443.4 lawyers are hired. The rest become janitors.

Sorry to resurrect a dead thread, but since 60,746 took the LSAT in 2010, and applications around 30,000, you need to do better then 92.8% of applicants, which means a 165, to break into the T14

I know, theres a lot of unwarranted assumptions, but i thought that was interesting

SemperLegal wrote:

SemperLegal wrote:For those that care enough to read but not enough to add, thats 4434 spaces. Which means, according to TLS wisdom, each year only 443.4 lawyers are hired. The rest become janitors.

Sorry to resurrect a dead thread, but since 60,746 took the LSAT in 2010, and applications around 30,000, you need to do better then 92.8% of applicants, which means a 165, to break into the T14

I know, theres a lot of unwarranted assumptions, but i thought that was interesting

Not saying your logic is right, but that happens to be the 25%ile for Cornell

First year section size is another story, however. Yale, Stanford & Northwestern offer the smallest class sizes while Cornell is about 100 students per section. Duke & Virginia follow NU.

If part-time students are included, Georgetown's first year class size is the largest, then Harvard.

SemperLegal wrote:

SemperLegal wrote:For those that care enough to read but not enough to add, thats 4434 spaces. Which means, according to TLS wisdom, each year only 443.4 lawyers are hired. The rest become janitors.

Sorry to resurrect a dead thread, but since 60,746 took the LSAT in 2010, and applications around 30,000, you need to do better then 92.8% of applicants, which means a 165, to break into the T14

I know, theres a lot of unwarranted assumptions, but i thought that was interesting

That's just Oct LSATs. Total LSAT's was north of 150,000 for the year.

Top 14 by first year section size:

Yale 58
Stanford 60
Northwestern 65
Duke 68
Virginia 72
Harvard 80

Penn 85
NYU 89
UCal-Berkeley 90
Michigan 91
Chicago 93
Columbia 95
Cornell 100
Georgetown 117

CanadianWolf wrote:Top 14 by first year section size:

Yale 58
Stanford 60
Northwestern 65
Duke 68
Virginia 72
Harvard 80

Penn 85
NYU 89
UCal-Berkeley 90
Michigan 91
Chicago 93
Columbia 95
Cornell 100
Georgetown 117

How much does section size matter? Does it influence grades substantially, or just the "feel" of the school?

Personal preference & a better chance of getting to know your professors & section classmates. Also increases the liklihood of getting called on in class.

rayiner wrote:

SemperLegal wrote:

SemperLegal wrote:For those that care enough to read but not enough to add, thats 4434 spaces. Which means, according to TLS wisdom, each year only 443.4 lawyers are hired. The rest become janitors.

Sorry to resurrect a dead thread, but since 60,746 took the LSAT in 2010, and applications around 30,000, you need to do better then 92.8% of applicants, which means a 165, to break into the T14

I know, theres a lot of unwarranted assumptions, but i thought that was interesting

That's just Oct LSATs. Total LSAT's was north of 150,000 for the year.

My bad, thats 171,514 in the last cycle and 87,500 applications. RC fail.

New break even number= doing better than 97.5%, a solid 170 on the dot.

SemperLegal wrote:

rayiner wrote:

SemperLegal wrote:

SemperLegal wrote:For those that care enough to read but not enough to add, thats 4434 spaces. Which means, according to TLS wisdom, each year only 443.4 lawyers are hired. The rest become janitors.

Sorry to resurrect a dead thread, but since 60,746 took the LSAT in 2010, and applications around 30,000, you need to do better then 92.8% of applicants, which means a 165, to break into the T14

I know, theres a lot of unwarranted assumptions, but i thought that was interesting

That's just Oct LSATs. Total LSAT's was north of 150,000 for the year.

My bad, thats 171,514 in the last cycle and 87,500 applications. RC fail.

New break even number= doing better than 97.5%, a solid 170 on the dot.

Which makes sense. Most of the T14 is at 170 medians, so you know at least half those 4,300 slots are for people with > 170 and > 3.7-ish. A lot of people with 170s won't have the requisite 3.7 GPA for that LSAT score (3.4/170 isn't a lock at any T14 without WE) and people will take scholarships or not go to law school, and people between 165-170 will get those spots.

dissonance1848 wrote:Wow, I thought Georgetown had a larger 1L class than Havard.

yeah, i was really surprised to to see that.. I had heard that G-town was by far the biggest law school, but it looks like that's not really the case (though i realize this apparently doesn't count part-time).

rayiner wrote: Which makes sense. Most of the T14 is at 170 medians, so you know at least half those 4,300 slots are for people with > 170 and > 3.7-ish. A lot of people with 170s won't have the requisite 3.7 GPA for that LSAT score (3.4/170 isn't a lock at any T14 without WE) and people will take scholarships or not go to law school, and people between 165-170 will get those spots.

Yup, this numbers "feel" right. I, as a high GPA 169er, eagerly await your table scraps.

This does go to show you why LSAT>GPA>EVERYTHING ELSE in LS application. Its the only thing that is nearly close to constant since the size of the T14 is fairly static (I think) but the size of the applicant pool/grade inflation adjust the average GPA's. If your >170 than the T14 is yours to lose. If you are <170 your really have to justify your presence in the T14.


Someone want to do the same for Tier 1?

SemperLegal wrote:

rayiner wrote: Which makes sense. Most of the T14 is at 170 medians, so you know at least half those 4,300 slots are for people with > 170 and > 3.7-ish. A lot of people with 170s won't have the requisite 3.7 GPA for that LSAT score (3.4/170 isn't a lock at any T14 without WE) and people will take scholarships or not go to law school, and people between 165-170 will get those spots.

Yup, this numbers "feel" right. I, as a high GPA 169er, eagerly await your table scraps.

This does go to show you why LSAT>GPA>EVERYTHING ELSE in LS application. Its the only thing that is nearly close to constant since the size of the T14 is fairly static (I think) but the size of the applicant pool/grade inflation adjust the average GPA's. If your >170 than the T14 is yours to lose. If you are <170 your really have to justify your presence in the T14.


Someone want to do the same for Tier 1?

The problem with high GPA is only really high GPA = high GPA. Almost every t14 has a GPA median of 3.8.

There are probably more people with 3.8+/165 than there are any people with 170.

Looking at my LSAC transcript report 15% of my UG got 3.8 or better. Maybe 5% got 170 or better and I went to a state flagship. Imagine TTT undergrads. Still 15% have 3.8 but almost nobody gets 170.