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Colleagues:
In 2004, Princeton University enacted new institutional grading expectations to address locally the national problem of grade inflation. This policy applies common standards to all academic departments and programs: A-range grades shall comprise no more than 35 percent of grades earned in undergraduate courses and no more than 55 percent of grades for junior and senior independent work. I hope this letter allows you to better evaluate our students’ credentials by placing the academic records of Princeton students in context.
Endorsed and fully implemented by our faculty, this new grading policy reflects the commitment of the Princeton community to hold students to the highest academic standards. A-range grades at Princeton (A+, A, A-) signify a caliber of academic work that deserves special recognition. By making careful distinctions in evaluating student work, the faculty has restored educational content and meaning to the letter grades earned at Princeton.
By contrast, our closest peer institutions report that grades continue to rise, with A’s often representing more than 50 percent of grades awarded. Unchecked grade inflation devalues student achievement and undermines the reliability of grade point averages as a standard comparative metric. At its worst, it may even discourage students from doing their best possible work.
The grading policy at Princeton is different. When evaluating the credentials of our students, I encourage you to consider their full course of study and other achievements. However, if your organization heavily weights GPA in its deliberations, please note that Princeton grades stand out against a national backdrop of grade inflation. For more detailed information about our grading policy, the booklet Grading At Princeton: Frequently Asked Questions can be found online at http://www.princeton.edu/odoc/faculty/grading/faq/.
If you have any questions, you can reach me at the above address or by e-mail at nweiss@princeton.edu. Thank you.
Pretty sure we go to the same school and I can name 8 off the top of my head.HamDel wrote:I'm at a top school, and virtually every top undergrad is represented in my class. We especially have a lot from Harvard and Yale, but I've noticed that there are very few Princeton undergrads. Is this just an odd phenomenon at my school, or does Princeton just not send that many people to law school?
It's nice that they're trying to take a stand against grade inflation, but they're swimming against the tide here. Grade grubbing students will just pick HYS and coast to grad school.Unemployed wrote:Colleagues:
In 2004, Princeton University enacted new institutional grading expectations to address locally the national problem of grade inflation. This policy applies common standards to all academic departments and programs: A-range grades shall comprise no more than 35 percent of grades earned in undergraduate courses and no more than 55 percent of grades for junior and senior independent work. I hope this letter allows you to better evaluate our students’ credentials by placing the academic records of Princeton students in context.
Endorsed and fully implemented by our faculty, this new grading policy reflects the commitment of the Princeton community to hold students to the highest academic standards. A-range grades at Princeton (A+, A, A-) signify a caliber of academic work that deserves special recognition. By making careful distinctions in evaluating student work, the faculty has restored educational content and meaning to the letter grades earned at Princeton.
By contrast, our closest peer institutions report that grades continue to rise, with A’s often representing more than 50 percent of grades awarded. Unchecked grade inflation devalues student achievement and undermines the reliability of grade point averages as a standard comparative metric. At its worst, it may even discourage students from doing their best possible work.
The grading policy at Princeton is different. When evaluating the credentials of our students, I encourage you to consider their full course of study and other achievements. However, if your organization heavily weights GPA in its deliberations, please note that Princeton grades stand out against a national backdrop of grade inflation. For more detailed information about our grading policy, the booklet Grading At Princeton: Frequently Asked Questions can be found online at http://www.princeton.edu/odoc/faculty/grading/faq/.
If you have any questions, you can reach me at the above address or by e-mail at nweiss@princeton.edu. Thank you.
However, there are like 20-30 from Yale and Harvard each. And nearly 40 from Cornell.imchuckbass58 wrote:Pretty sure we go to the same school and I can name 8 off the top of my head.HamDel wrote:I'm at a top school, and virtually every top undergrad is represented in my class. We especially have a lot from Harvard and Yale, but I've noticed that there are very few Princeton undergrads. Is this just an odd phenomenon at my school, or does Princeton just not send that many people to law school?
Harvard became the poster child for Ivy League grade inflation after that Boston Globe article, but Yale is worse, and Stanford is MUCH worse.im_blue wrote:It's nice that they're trying to take a stand against grade inflation, but they're swimming against the tide here. Grade grubbing students will just pick HYS and coast to grad school.Unemployed wrote:Colleagues:
In 2004, Princeton University enacted new institutional grading expectations to address locally the national problem of grade inflation. This policy applies common standards to all academic departments and programs: A-range grades shall comprise no more than 35 percent of grades earned in undergraduate courses and no more than 55 percent of grades for junior and senior independent work. I hope this letter allows you to better evaluate our students’ credentials by placing the academic records of Princeton students in context.
Endorsed and fully implemented by our faculty, this new grading policy reflects the commitment of the Princeton community to hold students to the highest academic standards. A-range grades at Princeton (A+, A, A-) signify a caliber of academic work that deserves special recognition. By making careful distinctions in evaluating student work, the faculty has restored educational content and meaning to the letter grades earned at Princeton.
By contrast, our closest peer institutions report that grades continue to rise, with A’s often representing more than 50 percent of grades awarded. Unchecked grade inflation devalues student achievement and undermines the reliability of grade point averages as a standard comparative metric. At its worst, it may even discourage students from doing their best possible work.
The grading policy at Princeton is different. When evaluating the credentials of our students, I encourage you to consider their full course of study and other achievements. However, if your organization heavily weights GPA in its deliberations, please note that Princeton grades stand out against a national backdrop of grade inflation. For more detailed information about our grading policy, the booklet Grading At Princeton: Frequently Asked Questions can be found online at http://www.princeton.edu/odoc/faculty/grading/faq/.
If you have any questions, you can reach me at the above address or by e-mail at nweiss@princeton.edu. Thank you.
Stanford doesn't have 40% or so of their students graduating with honors. You actually have to write an honors thesis.Unemployed wrote:Harvard became the poster child for Ivy League grade inflation after that Boston Globe article, but Yale is worse, and Stanford is MUCH worse.im_blue wrote:It's nice that they're trying to take a stand against grade inflation, but they're swimming against the tide here. Grade grubbing students will just pick HYS and coast to grad school.Unemployed wrote:Colleagues:
In 2004, Princeton University enacted new institutional grading expectations to address locally the national problem of grade inflation. This policy applies common standards to all academic departments and programs: A-range grades shall comprise no more than 35 percent of grades earned in undergraduate courses and no more than 55 percent of grades for junior and senior independent work. I hope this letter allows you to better evaluate our students’ credentials by placing the academic records of Princeton students in context.
Endorsed and fully implemented by our faculty, this new grading policy reflects the commitment of the Princeton community to hold students to the highest academic standards. A-range grades at Princeton (A+, A, A-) signify a caliber of academic work that deserves special recognition. By making careful distinctions in evaluating student work, the faculty has restored educational content and meaning to the letter grades earned at Princeton.
By contrast, our closest peer institutions report that grades continue to rise, with A’s often representing more than 50 percent of grades awarded. Unchecked grade inflation devalues student achievement and undermines the reliability of grade point averages as a standard comparative metric. At its worst, it may even discourage students from doing their best possible work.
The grading policy at Princeton is different. When evaluating the credentials of our students, I encourage you to consider their full course of study and other achievements. However, if your organization heavily weights GPA in its deliberations, please note that Princeton grades stand out against a national backdrop of grade inflation. For more detailed information about our grading policy, the booklet Grading At Princeton: Frequently Asked Questions can be found online at http://www.princeton.edu/odoc/faculty/grading/faq/.
If you have any questions, you can reach me at the above address or by e-mail at nweiss@princeton.edu. Thank you.
Welcome to the stupidification of America. (I just inventioneered a new word!)Dbate wrote:Grade inflation is better for everyone. 1) Better for us for obvious reasons. 2) Better for the school because then we go to Top law schools, become wealthy attorneys, and donate money or go into high profile political positions and bring prestige to the school. 3) Better for the school because people are not as stressed about grades, so they have a happy undergrad experience, which makes them want to give back to the school. 4) Better for the school and students because students do not have to worry about their grades as much and can therefore focus on extracurricular organizations (which are abundant).
The point is that if you go to P and he goes to Y you probably won't get the chance to maul him, because his GPA will be .3 higher than yours on average. Getting "mauled" at HYS law doesn't sound half bad.ahduth wrote: "Do not have to worry about their grades as much and can therefore focus on extracurricular organizations?"
I'm going to enjoy mauling some of you in law school.
Out of context statistics are out of context.im_blue wrote: EDIT:
Average GPAs from gradeinflation.org:
Brown 3.61
Stanford 3.55
Yale 3.51
Harvard 3.45
Penn 3.44
Columbia 3.42
Dartmouth 3.42
Cornell 3.36
Princeton 3.28 (ouch!)
It seems like all the Princeton people I know are at least two years out of UG, too.Unemployed wrote:However, there are like 20-30 from Yale and Harvard each. And nearly 40 from Cornell.imchuckbass58 wrote:Pretty sure we go to the same school and I can name 8 off the top of my head.HamDel wrote:I'm at a top school, and virtually every top undergrad is represented in my class. We especially have a lot from Harvard and Yale, but I've noticed that there are very few Princeton undergrads. Is this just an odd phenomenon at my school, or does Princeton just not send that many people to law school?
You're probably right about H. I'm a little skeptical that Y and S don't look at Princeton's grades in a separate category however. It's not as though Princeton's anti-grade inflation stance is unknown. This also makes As from Princeton more exceptional. So anyone showing up with a high GPA from Princeton will get a closer look no matter what.St.Remy wrote:The point is that if you go to P and he goes to Y you probably won't get the chance to maul him, because his GPA will be .3 higher than yours on average. Getting "mauled" at HYS law doesn't sound half bad.ahduth wrote: "Do not have to worry about their grades as much and can therefore focus on extracurricular organizations?"
I'm going to enjoy mauling some of you in law school.
There's no way you would ever get a chance to maul me. Because with my GPA, I won't have to go to a third tier toilet.ahduth wrote:Welcome to the stupidification of America. (I just inventioneered a new word!)Dbate wrote:Grade inflation is better for everyone. 1) Better for us for obvious reasons. 2) Better for the school because then we go to Top law schools, become wealthy attorneys, and donate money or go into high profile political positions and bring prestige to the school. 3) Better for the school because people are not as stressed about grades, so they have a happy undergrad experience, which makes them want to give back to the school. 4) Better for the school and students because students do not have to worry about their grades as much and can therefore focus on extracurricular organizations (which are abundant).
"Do not have to worry about their grades as much and can therefore focus on extracurricular organizations?"
I'm going to enjoy mauling some of you in law school.
I'm pretty excited about my destination thank you very much. I haven't actually been accepted to any of the third tier toilets, but I am ready. I do like how you think your GPA is guaranteeing you a spot in a second tier toilet though.Dbate wrote:There's no way you would ever get a chance to maul me. Because with my GPA, I won't have to go to a third tier toilet.ahduth wrote:Welcome to the stupidification of America. (I just inventioneered a new word!)Dbate wrote:Grade inflation is better for everyone. 1) Better for us for obvious reasons. 2) Better for the school because then we go to Top law schools, become wealthy attorneys, and donate money or go into high profile political positions and bring prestige to the school. 3) Better for the school because people are not as stressed about grades, so they have a happy undergrad experience, which makes them want to give back to the school. 4) Better for the school and students because students do not have to worry about their grades as much and can therefore focus on extracurricular organizations (which are abundant).
"Do not have to worry about their grades as much and can therefore focus on extracurricular organizations?"
I'm going to enjoy mauling some of you in law school.
Put them in context for us.BrownBears09 wrote:Out of context statistics are out of context.im_blue wrote: EDIT:
Average GPAs from gradeinflation.org:
Brown 3.61
Stanford 3.55
Yale 3.51
Harvard 3.45
Penn 3.44
Columbia 3.42
Dartmouth 3.42
Cornell 3.36
Princeton 3.28 (ouch!)
+1.atresia wrote:Put them in context for us.BrownBears09 wrote:Out of context statistics are out of context.im_blue wrote: EDIT:
Average GPAs from gradeinflation.org:
Brown 3.61
Stanford 3.55
Yale 3.51
Harvard 3.45
Penn 3.44
Columbia 3.42
Dartmouth 3.42
Cornell 3.36
Princeton 3.28 (ouch!)
People are always talking about what's the definition of a gunner--well here it is folks. I wonder about the social skills of people who say things like this.ahduth wrote:Welcome to the stupidification of America. (I just inventioneered a new word!)Dbate wrote:Grade inflation is better for everyone. 1) Better for us for obvious reasons. 2) Better for the school because then we go to Top law schools, become wealthy attorneys, and donate money or go into high profile political positions and bring prestige to the school. 3) Better for the school because people are not as stressed about grades, so they have a happy undergrad experience, which makes them want to give back to the school. 4) Better for the school and students because students do not have to worry about their grades as much and can therefore focus on extracurricular organizations (which are abundant).
"Do not have to worry about their grades as much and can therefore focus on extracurricular organizations?"
I'm going to enjoy mauling some of you in law school.
In ahduth's defense, he only said some of you and I think I know the type of person he means.BruceWayne wrote:People are always talking about what's the definition of a gunner--well here it is folks. I wonder about the social skills of people who say things like this.ahduth wrote:Welcome to the stupidification of America. (I just inventioneered a new word!)Dbate wrote:Grade inflation is better for everyone. 1) Better for us for obvious reasons. 2) Better for the school because then we go to Top law schools, become wealthy attorneys, and donate money or go into high profile political positions and bring prestige to the school. 3) Better for the school because people are not as stressed about grades, so they have a happy undergrad experience, which makes them want to give back to the school. 4) Better for the school and students because students do not have to worry about their grades as much and can therefore focus on extracurricular organizations (which are abundant).
"Do not have to worry about their grades as much and can therefore focus on extracurricular organizations?"
I'm going to enjoy mauling some of you in law school.
Nice, thanks Jeffro, that is exactly what I meant. I'm sure (well, I'm hoping) the vast majority of the people I end up at school with are intellectually, socially and culturally engaged. And I won't be looking to maul them. Just this guy - he sounds like he wants to phone it in and then go make a ton of money. Fuck that. It's pretty hard to phone it in on a curve.Jeffro wrote:In ahduth's defense, he did only said some of you and I think I know the type of person he means.BruceWayne wrote:People are always talking about what's the definition of a gunner--well here it is folks. I wonder about the social skills of people who say things like this.ahduth wrote:I'm going to enjoy mauling some of you in law school.
It's pretty ridiculous to see someone try to justify that everyone should be given A's so that they can enjoy extracurriculars, have any easy educational experience, and then give the school tons of money later on down the road. Grades should be earned, not handed to you just because you went to a top school. Shit like that is dumbing down America across the board. I wonder about the social skills of people who don't get annoyed at the idea of someone suggesting that just handing out high GPAs is actually sustainable and would benefit America down the road. Watch Idiocracy and enjoy your shiny, framed Ivy diploma.