Is Asian Amerian an URM?
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:37 pm
I probably would guess no and it probably wouldnt help. My LSAT teacher said pull out everything for the apps but would this actually help?
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whymeohgodno wrote:No,if anything it hurts you.
FTFY, looks like you accidentally struck through the truth.BrownBears09 wrote:whymeohgodno wrote:No, if anything it hurts you.
DreamShake wrote:BrownBears09 wrote:whymeohgodno wrote:No,if anything it hurts you.FTFY, looks like you accidentally struck through thetruth.
It hurts a lot for many of the elite undergrad schools so it isn't unreasonable to assume it might/will hurt for elite law schools.beachbum wrote:Is there any evidence for it hurting you? I've only heard of race/ethnicity boosting an application, not detracting from it.
I read a study a while back about how the class profiles at Boalt Hall changed immediately after the the school was forced to stop reserving seats for URM's (read: setting quotas) and to compare URM's against the larger applicant body, not just other URM's. The AA and Hispanic population dropped to a mere handful (as in <10 AA's, slightly more Hispanics), while the Asian population jumped dramatically. White representation was basically stagnant. The study concluded that seats reserved for underqualified URM's were filled by Asian students when the race factor was removed. Law schools don't blatantly use quotas anymore, but everybody acknowledges the URM boost, which generates the exact same effect.beachbum wrote:Is there any evidence for it hurting you? I've only heard of race/ethnicity boosting an application, not detracting from it.
I think I remember this. It was for undergrad though right?DreamShake wrote:I read a study a while back about how the class profiles at Boalt Hall changed immediately after the the school was forced to stop reserving seats for URM's (read: setting quotas) and to compare URM's against the larger applicant body, not just other URM's. The AA and Hispanic population dropped to a mere handful (as in <10 AA's, slightly more Hispanics), while the Asian population jumped dramatically. White representation was basically stagnant. The study concluded that seats reserved for underqualified URM's were filled by Asian students when the race factor was removed. Law schools don't blatantly use quotas anymore, but everybody acknowledges the URM boost, which generates the exact same effect.beachbum wrote:Is there any evidence for it hurting you? I've only heard of race/ethnicity boosting an application, not detracting from it.
Edit: Too lazy to look up the exact study, but you can probably find it by Googling "Boalt Hall 1992 affirmative action."
A study of one university in California is definitely representative of the entire population of universities.DreamShake wrote:I read a study a while back about how the class profiles at Boalt Hall changed immediately after the the school was forced to stop reserving seats for URM's (read: setting quotas) and to compare URM's against the larger applicant body, not just other URM's. The AA and Hispanic population dropped to a mere handful (as in <10 AA's, slightly more Hispanics), while the Asian population jumped dramatically. White representation was basically stagnant. The study concluded that seats reserved for underqualified URM's were filled by Asian students when the race factor was removed. Law schools don't blatantly use quotas anymore, but everybody acknowledges the URM boost, which generates the exact same effect.beachbum wrote:Is there any evidence for it hurting you? I've only heard of race/ethnicity boosting an application, not detracting from it.
Edit: Too lazy to look up the exact study, but you can probably find it by Googling "Boalt Hall 1992 affirmative action."
A princeton university professor did a study where he examined 10 elite schools. He pretty much found the same conclusion.BrownBears09 wrote:A study of one university in California is definitely representative of the entire population of universities.DreamShake wrote:I read a study a while back about how the class profiles at Boalt Hall changed immediately after the the school was forced to stop reserving seats for URM's (read: setting quotas) and to compare URM's against the larger applicant body, not just other URM's. The AA and Hispanic population dropped to a mere handful (as in <10 AA's, slightly more Hispanics), while the Asian population jumped dramatically. White representation was basically stagnant. The study concluded that seats reserved for underqualified URM's were filled by Asian students when the race factor was removed. Law schools don't blatantly use quotas anymore, but everybody acknowledges the URM boost, which generates the exact same effect.beachbum wrote:Is there any evidence for it hurting you? I've only heard of race/ethnicity boosting an application, not detracting from it.
Edit: Too lazy to look up the exact study, but you can probably find it by Googling "Boalt Hall 1992 affirmative action."
Once in a while, it's OK to admit you're wrong.whymeohgodno wrote:A princeton university professor did a study where he examined 10 elite schools. He pretty much found the same conclusion.BrownBears09 wrote:A study of one university in California is definitely representative of the entire population of universities.DreamShake wrote:I read a study a while back about how the class profiles at Boalt Hall changed immediately after the the school was forced to stop reserving seats for URM's (read: setting quotas) and to compare URM's against the larger applicant body, not just other URM's. The AA and Hispanic population dropped to a mere handful (as in <10 AA's, slightly more Hispanics), while the Asian population jumped dramatically. White representation was basically stagnant. The study concluded that seats reserved for underqualified URM's were filled by Asian students when the race factor was removed. Law schools don't blatantly use quotas anymore, but everybody acknowledges the URM boost, which generates the exact same effect.beachbum wrote:Is there any evidence for it hurting you? I've only heard of race/ethnicity boosting an application, not detracting from it.
Edit: Too lazy to look up the exact study, but you can probably find it by Googling "Boalt Hall 1992 affirmative action."
Given California's high Asian population, I think Berkeley makes for an interesting case study.BrownBears09 wrote:A study of one university in California is definitely representative of the entire population of universities.DreamShake wrote:I read a study a while back about how the class profiles at Boalt Hall changed immediately after the the school was forced to stop reserving seats for URM's (read: setting quotas) and to compare URM's against the larger applicant body, not just other URM's. The AA and Hispanic population dropped to a mere handful (as in <10 AA's, slightly more Hispanics), while the Asian population jumped dramatically. White representation was basically stagnant. The study concluded that seats reserved for underqualified URM's were filled by Asian students when the race factor was removed. Law schools don't blatantly use quotas anymore, but everybody acknowledges the URM boost, which generates the exact same effect.beachbum wrote:Is there any evidence for it hurting you? I've only heard of race/ethnicity boosting an application, not detracting from it.
Edit: Too lazy to look up the exact study, but you can probably find it by Googling "Boalt Hall 1992 affirmative action."
HeavenWood wrote: Given California's high Asian population, I think Berkeley makes for an interesting case study.
DreamShake wrote:...the facts are readily available, and they're quite clear. The larger UC system got in trouble for similar policies. Michigan got sued over similar policies. Other universities have had the same problems.
HeavenWood wrote:But that's undergrad. The conventional wisdom here is that being Asian won't hurt you for law school.
DreamShake wrote: I read a study a while back about how the class profiles at Boalt Hall changed immediately after the the school was forced to stop reserving seats for URM's (read: setting quotas) and to compare URM's against the larger applicant body, not just other URM's. The AA and Hispanic population dropped to a mere handful (as in <10 AA's, slightly more Hispanics), while the Asian population jumped dramatically. White representation was basically stagnant. The study concluded that seats reserved for underqualified URM's were filled by Asian students when the race factor was removed. Law schools don't blatantly use quotas anymore, but everybody acknowledges the URM boost, which generates the exact same effect.
Edit: Too lazy to look up the exact study, but you can probably find it by Googling "Boalt Hall 1992 affirmative action."
I missed that. My bad!DreamShake wrote:Boalt Hall
Some applications do. I think most do.ComatoseClown wrote:Question: Are there different Asian "subclasses" to checkmark on the LSAC report where it asks for your ethnic bagkround? (E.g. Vietnamese; Asian Indian; Filipino; Chinese, etc.)
Or is it just one entity titled "Asian"?
[I'm not an applicant -- just wanted to know.]
Why is that (the reason that you heard)?DoubleChecks wrote: there is some suggestion that being asian hurts a bit at the ivy league law schools...but i havent seen any hard evidence pointing to this.
+1r6_philly wrote:Why is that (the reason that you heard)?DoubleChecks wrote: there is some suggestion that being asian hurts a bit at the ivy league law schools...but i havent seen any hard evidence pointing to this.