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Despite my handle, I will not be applying to HY or S ... however, I just want some advice on my t20 prospects.

Yes, I know all about LSN and Law School Predictor, but I'd like some actual human feedback.

I'm applying to Berkeley and Penn for certain reasons, and I have fee waivers to Northwestern, UVA, and Wash U, so there as well. However, I've also always liked Duke, Cornell, Vanderbilt, USC, GW -- so even though I don't have fee waivers to any of those 5, I think I'm going to apply to them as well

So that about rounds out the t20. Of those 10 schools, what are my chances looking like? I like schools like Michigan, G'Town, UCLA, Texas, but I just feel like they tend to favor LSAT scores more, so I don't think it's worth even applying there.

Any input is appreciated...I know there are 400 of these threads a day, but thanks.

BTW, PLEASE DO NOT TELL ME "RETAKE, GO TO HYS". I took the LSAT twice (same score), so it seems I reached my peak...

Really no chance at any of the schools you listed, best shot is ED UVA yesterday

Retake, get a 168-170, go to CCN.

You won't get into a t14 unless it's UVA ED. t17 is iffy also, maybe UCLA with their love of high GPAs.

Edit: Forgot about Berkeley. You definitely have a shot there depending on quality of your softs.

# 1: I know of 1 person with roughly the same GPA and a 160 LSAT who was admitted to Berkeley, so you do have a thin, thin, super-thin sliver of hope.

#2: I think the person referenced in # 1 knew the dean.

# 3: Whatever im_blue said.

MW

small chance at UCLA (probably 5-10%)

probably no chance anywhere else unless URM

These people are on crack. If you blanket 3-20 with a good p.s., I'm willing to bet that you land at least one (especially if your apps go out ASAP)

How sure am, you ask? I'll cover the necessary app fees for now and bet $1000 (with loser paying app fees).

im_blue wrote:Retake, get a 168-170, go to CCN.

Srsly though, you're only (at best) a long shot at two or so schools you listed. What's your LSAT prep been like?

It's not impossible. I'm currently a 1L at HYS and I applied with a 4.0 and mid/hi 160s (not URM). Did very well with t14 schools. If you have a very good personal statement and softs, you should easily manage to get into at least some t20 schools. You might even surprise yourself

jdhonest wrote:These people are on crack. If you blanket 3-20 with a good p.s., I'm willing to bet that you land at least one (especially if your apps go out ASAP)

How sure am, you ask? I'll cover the necessary app fees for now and bet $1000 (with loser paying app fees).

No one said anything about t20. We were talking t14 and some were mentioning t17. t20 isn't even a meaningful distinction.

jdhonest wrote:These people are on crack. If you blanket 3-20 with a good p.s., I'm willing to bet that you land at least one (especially if your apps go out ASAP)

How sure am, you ask? I'll cover the necessary app fees for now and bet $1000 (with loser paying app fees).

Speed Ks exam:

Is this a valid contract?

GO!

whymeohgodno wrote:You won't get into a t14 unless it's UVA ED. t17 is iffy also, maybe UCLA with their love of high GPAs.

Edit: Forgot about Berkeley. You definitely have a shot there depending on quality of your softs.

What's a t17? Police lingo for statutory rape?

Blanket 3-20, you'll get into a few. You're at bottom 25% for LSAT for a lot of them, but top 25% for GPA at EVERY 3-20. You have a good application. T14 is even a reasonable possibility.

thegor1987 wrote:

whymeohgodno wrote:You won't get into a t14 unless it's UVA ED. t17 is iffy also, maybe UCLA with their love of high GPAs.

Edit: Forgot about Berkeley. You definitely have a shot there depending on quality of your softs.

What's a t17? Police lingo for statutory rape?

Blanket 3-20, you'll get into a few. You're at bottom 25% for LSAT for a lot of them, but top 25% for GPA at EVERY 3-20. You have a good application. T14 is even a reasonable possibility.

T14 = National

14-17=Super Regional

General rankings.

If you are comfortable with sticker and okay with the school, ED to U.Va. It is your peak potential in all liklihood. You need to get it in ASAP.

aad wrote:It's not impossible. I'm currently a 1L at HYS and I applied with a 4.0 and mid/hi 160s (not URM). Did very well with t14 schools. If you have a very good personal statement and softs, you should easily manage to get into at least some t20 schools. You might even surprise yourself

Bolstering somebody's hopes when you're the clear, mega-ultra-super-penultimate exception is not nice.

Having said that, I think a very well-executed PS, in conjunction with some solid WhyX's, will get OP at least a couple nibbles in the T20.

aad wrote:It's not impossible. I'm currently a 1L at HYS and I applied with a 4.0 and mid/hi 160s (not URM). Did very well with t14 schools. If you have a very good personal statement and softs, you should easily manage to get into at least some t20 schools. You might even surprise yourself

How is Palo Alto this time of year?

Veyron wrote:

aad wrote:It's not impossible. I'm currently a 1L at HYS and I applied with a 4.0 and mid/hi 160s (not URM). Did very well with t14 schools. If you have a very good personal statement and softs, you should easily manage to get into at least some t20 schools. You might even surprise yourself

How is Palo Alto this time of year?

Probably like it is at any time of the year: fucking incredible.

5 bucks that you end up at either GW, Illinois, or BC. WUSTL if your app is good. The rest are all waitlists & out or reject. Sorry, but at least this is just a prediction.

PS: Apply to Illinois if you haven't... it's free, just make sure to do the Why Illinois essay. Do this ASAP. Apply to BC, not BU. BU will be a waitlist if I had to guess. BC is a better bet for you, and you won't have to apply to both. 80 dollars or so is not that much money when you consider that there is a relatively big chance you'll end up going here. For WUSTL, apply. But email them first with a request for a merit based fee waiver (include your LSAC #, GPA, and LSAT).

Veyron wrote:

jdhonest wrote:These people are on crack. If you blanket 3-20 with a good p.s., I'm willing to bet that you land at least one (especially if your apps go out ASAP)

How sure am, you ask? I'll cover the necessary app fees for now and bet $1000 (with loser paying app fees).

Speed Ks exam:

Is this a valid contract?

GO!

Disclaimer: Ks was a year ago for me.

No K. Conditioned on him not getting into (or getting into) one of the 3-20 schools. Could argue no consideration given since filling out the applications and paying are things that would normally have to be done in performing the conditional act which would probably be labeled "consideration."

im_blue wrote:Retake, get a 168-170, go to CCN.

I love it when people say, "Give me advice, but don't give me the advice I don't want to hear! Na na na na, I'm not listening!!!"

patrickd139 wrote:

Veyron wrote:

jdhonest wrote:These people are on crack. If you blanket 3-20 with a good p.s., I'm willing to bet that you land at least one (especially if your apps go out ASAP)

How sure am, you ask? I'll cover the necessary app fees for now and bet $1000 (with loser paying app fees).

Speed Ks exam:

Is this a valid contract?

GO!

Disclaimer: Ks was a year ago for me.

No K. Conditioned on him not getting into (or getting into) one of the 3-20 schools. Could argue no consideration given since filling out the applications and paying are things that would normally have to be done in performing the conditional act which would probably be labeled "consideration."

Counter arg:
Consideration may be present, convincing everyone else on this chatblog that he is right may be the consideration (but can consideration come from 3rd parties?). convincing OP that he is right may be the consideration.

Even if no consideration: may reasonably be expected to enduce reliance (OP aplies to more schools than he otherwise would have, spending more $), considerations of justice may thus require enforcement.

Contracts conditioned on performance are valid. Contract may be a unilateral contract that invites acceptance by performance since all relevant details are arguably included.

whymeohgodno wrote:

jdhonest wrote:These people are on crack. If you blanket 3-20 with a good p.s., I'm willing to bet that you land at least one (especially if your apps go out ASAP)

How sure am, you ask? I'll cover the necessary app fees for now and bet $1000 (with loser paying app fees).

No one said anything about t20. We were talking t14 and some were mentioning t17. t20 isn't even a meaningful distinction.

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You'll get into some or most of the nebulous mass of schools between WUSTL and Fordham, OP. EDing to UVA is TCR if you're unwilling to retake.

Veyron wrote:

patrickd139 wrote:

Veyron wrote:

jdhonest wrote:These people are on crack. If you blanket 3-20 with a good p.s., I'm willing to bet that you land at least one (especially if your apps go out ASAP)

How sure am, you ask? I'll cover the necessary app fees for now and bet $1000 (with loser paying app fees).

Speed Ks exam:

Is this a valid contract?

GO!

Disclaimer: Ks was a year ago for me.

No K. Conditioned on him not getting into (or getting into) one of the 3-20 schools. Could argue no consideration given since filling out the applications and paying are things that would normally have to be done in performing the conditional act which would probably be labeled "consideration."

Counter arg:
Consideration may be present, convincing everyone else on this chatblog that he is right may be the consideration (but can consideration come from 3rd parties?). convincing OP that he is right may be the consideration.

Even if no consideration: may reasonably be expected to enduce reliance (OP aplies to more schools than he otherwise would have, spending more $), considerations of justice may thus require enforcement.

Contracts conditioned on performance are valid. Contract may be a unilateral contract that invites acceptance by performance since all relevant details are arguably included.

Counter-counter (Again, it's been a while; and I'm not about to look this up to check validity):
Consideration cannot come from third parties, at least not in this context. Consideration must at least be under the pretext of value; any "convincing as consideration" would be nominal, at best, including that of the OP that the offeror is right.

Reasonable reliance creating expectation might work, but it would cause the court to create a K as a matter of law; the original structure would not be a K, only an offer. Which brings me to...

Unilateral Ks: still need substantial performance on the part of our soon-to-be disheartened and broke offeree, which we don't have at this point. Probably still an offer for reasons of public policy.