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theavrock wrote:Disclose. Those sorts of things aren't going to hurt you, in the admissions process. Felonies and misdemeanors are not the only things considered crimes. An ordinance violation would be an example.

If you are at all questioning you should disclose.

broker02 wrote:I'd also befriend a cop and have them run your DL# through their database and see what pops. Just a suggestion.

Patriot1208 wrote:Man, you got ticketed on the Metro? You have to just be smart, you can obviously see the cops when they come into your car and that is when you exit. Literally, they check tickets every 20th car.

javancho wrote:I am a 30-year old applicant to UNC and I am not sure what to disclose. I am afraid that under-disclosing will come back to haunt me, but I am also afraid that over-disclosing may be viewed as lack of judgment. Please advise. Here is my COMPLETE record:

1. Invalid fare at the Metrolink in St. Louis (Metro). I purchased a senior's ticket (by mistake) and I was not a senior. I was issued a summons and paid the fine.

2. Failure to show proof of insurance. I left the insurance card at home. I later showed the judge/court I had insurance. Dismissed.

3. Failure to show BOTH license plates. My car only had the back license plate. Ticketed and paid the fine.

4. Improper Equipment/Driving Without Two Headlights. Only the right one was working. Ticketed and paid the fine.

5. Failure to display Registration Sticker. Those are routinely stolen in St. Louis, and I think mine was as well. Ticketed and paid the fine.

6. Letter from the IRS about "Errors" in 2005 Income Tax Return. I never received a 1099 (sent to an old address) and that income was not included in my return. The omitted income was about 5% of total income that year. Paid about $260 for "additional tax, penalties, and interest." IRS sent me a letter saying they are happy and the matter is closed.

Now the UNC question:

Have you ever received a citation for, been arrested for, charged with, convicted of, or pled guilty, no contest, nolo contendere, entered an Alford plea, or otherwise accepted responsibility for a crime, or have you received a deferred prosecution or prayer for judgment continued, for any criminal charge other than a minor traffic violation? This would include any charges of driving under the influence or any other drug or alcohol related offenses. (Juvenile records that have been sealed or expunged need not be disclosed.)

I am not what they mean by "crime." I checked and none of those violations are misdemeanors. Are my tickets/notices/etc crimes? What should I disclose?

Lonagan wrote:

javancho wrote:I am a 30-year old applicant to UNC and I am not sure what to disclose. I am afraid that under-disclosing will come back to haunt me, but I am also afraid that over-disclosing may be viewed as lack of judgment. Please advise. Here is my COMPLETE record:

1. Invalid fare at the Metrolink in St. Louis (Metro). I purchased a senior's ticket (by mistake) and I was not a senior. I was issued a summons and paid the fine.

2. Failure to show proof of insurance. I left the insurance card at home. I later showed the judge/court I had insurance. Dismissed.

3. Failure to show BOTH license plates. My car only had the back license plate. Ticketed and paid the fine.

4. Improper Equipment/Driving Without Two Headlights. Only the right one was working. Ticketed and paid the fine.

5. Failure to display Registration Sticker. Those are routinely stolen in St. Louis, and I think mine was as well. Ticketed and paid the fine.

6. Letter from the IRS about "Errors" in 2005 Income Tax Return. I never received a 1099 (sent to an old address) and that income was not included in my return. The omitted income was about 5% of total income that year. Paid about $260 for "additional tax, penalties, and interest." IRS sent me a letter saying they are happy and the matter is closed.

Now the UNC question:

Have you ever received a citation for, been arrested for, charged with, convicted of, or pled guilty, no contest, nolo contendere, entered an Alford plea, or otherwise accepted responsibility for a crime, or have you received a deferred prosecution or prayer for judgment continued, for any criminal charge other than a minor traffic violation? This would include any charges of driving under the influence or any other drug or alcohol related offenses. (Juvenile records that have been sealed or expunged need not be disclosed.)

I am not what they mean by "crime." I checked and none of those violations are misdemeanors. Are my tickets/notices/etc crimes? What should I disclose?

2-5 are not even borderline. The app does not ask you to disclose that stuff. 6 is almost certainly not a crime, but you might think about disclosing it. 1 I don't know. Turnstyle jumping is a crime in a lot of places, and this is sort of like that. I really don't know whether that's considered a crime in St. Louis or not. That's the one I would most strongly encourage you to disclose.

That being said, if you disclosed them all you aren't going to lose points for being honest or overly cautious about being above-board.

theavrock wrote:Disclose. Those sorts of things aren't going to hurt you, in the admissions process. Felonies and misdemeanors are not the only things considered crimes. An ordinance violation would be an example.

If you are at all questioning you should disclose.

MrKappus wrote:

theavrock wrote:Disclose. Those sorts of things aren't going to hurt you, in the admissions process. Felonies and misdemeanors are not the only things considered crimes. An ordinance violation would be an example.

If you are at all questioning you should disclose.

lolwut

theavrock wrote:

MrKappus wrote:

theavrock wrote:Disclose. Those sorts of things aren't going to hurt you, in the admissions process. Felonies and misdemeanors are not the only things considered crimes. An ordinance violation would be an example.

If you are at all questioning you should disclose.

lolwut

Sorry let me spell that our for you. An ordinance violation, some of which do not fall under the category of felony or misdemeanor, can still considered a crime and should be disclosed if the application is asking for any crime as opposed to only felonies and misdemeanors.

I'm not sure what the Metrolink violation would be considered, but it was an example of something that may fall under the category of a crime that is not a felony or misdemeanor.

HTH

MrKappus wrote:

theavrock wrote:

MrKappus wrote:

theavrock wrote:Disclose. Those sorts of things aren't going to hurt you, in the admissions process. Felonies and misdemeanors are not the only things considered crimes. An ordinance violation would be an example.

If you are at all questioning you should disclose.

lolwut

Sorry let me spell that our for you. An ordinance violation, some of which do not fall under the category of felony or misdemeanor, can still considered a crime and should be disclosed if the application is asking for any crime as opposed to only felonies and misdemeanors.

I'm not sure what the Metrolink violation would be considered, but it was an example of something that may fall under the category of a crime that is not a felony or misdemeanor.

HTH

No.

javancho wrote:Thank you very much for all your comments! They have been VERY useful.
I investigated my Metrolink violation, and found that St Louis considers it a Traffic violation... don't ask me why!

Anyhow, I think this is what I am gonna do. For the question:

Have you ever received a citation for, been arrested for, charged with, convicted of, or pled guilty, no contest, nolo contendere, entered an Alford plea, or otherwise accepted responsibility for a crime, or have you received a deferred prosecution or prayer for judgment continued, for any criminal charge other than a minor traffic violation? This would include any charges of driving under the influence or any other drug or alcohol related offenses. (Juvenile records that have been sealed or expunged need not be disclosed.)

I will answer:

NO. However, in the spirit of full disclosure, I summarize in the attachment named "Violations" the instances when I broke the law (with the exception of parking violations). If you believe any of these merit further explanation, please do not hesitate to contact me.

My attachment will be very similar to my first post and will include dates and places. I think that by doing this I show that I understand the question (even though I don't, hence I am discussing it here), and at the same time I come clean, which might come useful during the Character and Fitness evaluation.

Any thoughts?

theavrock wrote:It's a fairly simple concept. Sorry you don't understand.