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It clearly specifies 2 pages double spaced no smaller then size 12....

Mine, which i will be using for all my other schools don't hold a max restriction so small

Should i adjust my PS to 2 pages for all the schools (i dont want to have 2 separate ones and i dont want to butcher a longer one to compact it to 2 pages) .... My PS looks like it will be closer to the pages..

Thanks

huh?

JD=Doctor wrote:It clearly specifies 2 pages double spaced no smaller then size 12....

Mine, which i will be using for all my other schools don't hold a max restriction so small

Should i adjust my PS to 2 pages for all the schools (i dont want to have 2 separate ones and i dont want to butcher a longer one to compact it to 2 pages) .... My PS looks like it will be closer to the pages..

Thanks

YOu said you dont want to butcher your PS to compact it to 2 pages, but that sounds exactly what you are doing if you are going to "adjust" it to bring it down to 2 pages for all schools. If you are comfortable with what you have, keep it and send it to all the schools.
Then adjust your UCLA and whatever other schools require 2 page, 12pt font.

JD=Doctor wrote:It clearly specifies 2 pages double spaced no smaller then size 12....

Mine, which i will be using for all my other schools don't hold a max restriction so small

Should i adjust my PS to 2 pages for all the schools (i dont want to have 2 separate ones and i dont want to butcher a longer one to compact it to 2 pages) .... My PS looks like it will be closer to the pages..

Thanks

Edit your current version down to two pages. You might find you actually like the edited down version better. If not, just have two versions.

Aren't most schools 2 pages, double spaced? With the exception of the 12 point font?

CastleRock wrote:Aren't most schools 2 pages, double spaced? With the exception of the 12 point font?

I think the vast majority allow for more than 2 pages, but 2 pages is the smallest that I've seen. It is often "as long as you like."

To the OP: Edit it down for the UCLA essay. Submit this one to UCLA. Submit whichever you like better to schools which allow over 2 pages.

bk187 wrote:

CastleRock wrote: I think the vast majority allow for more than 2 pages, but 2 pages is the smallest that I've seen. It is often "as long as you like."

Which is usually accompanied by saying what you need to say as succinctly as possible (IIRC).

bk187 wrote:

CastleRock wrote:Aren't most schools 2 pages, double spaced? With the exception of the 12 point font?

I think the vast majority allow for more than 2 pages, but 2 pages is the smallest that I've seen. It is often "as long as you like."

To the OP: Edit it down for the UCLA essay. Submit this one to UCLA. Submit whichever you like better to schools which allow over 2 pages.

Most T14's are 2 pages, unless I remembered incorrectly. Harvard stipulates 11pt min. which is what I am using. I guess I should strike some things out for UCLA.

r6_philly wrote:

bk187 wrote:

CastleRock wrote:Aren't most schools 2 pages, double spaced? With the exception of the 12 point font?

I think the vast majority allow for more than 2 pages, but 2 pages is the smallest that I've seen. It is often "as long as you like."

To the OP: Edit it down for the UCLA essay. Submit this one to UCLA. Submit whichever you like better to schools which allow over 2 pages.

Most T14's are 2 pages, unless I remembered incorrectly. Harvard stipulates 11pt min. which is what I am using. I guess I should strike some things out for UCLA.

Appreqs.com is out of date but only lists 5 of the T14 as 2 pages (though some are 2-3 or 2-4).

bk187 wrote:

CastleRock wrote:Aren't most schools 2 pages, double spaced? With the exception of the 12 point font?

I think the vast majority allow for more than 2 pages, but 2 pages is the smallest that I've seen. It is often "as long as you like."

To the OP: Edit it down for the UCLA essay. Submit this one to UCLA. Submit whichever you like better to schools which allow over 2 pages.

"as long as you like" is the first test. If your PS is longer than 2 pages, you've failed.

hoopsguy6 wrote:

bk187 wrote:

CastleRock wrote:Aren't most schools 2 pages, double spaced? With the exception of the 12 point font?

I think the vast majority allow for more than 2 pages, but 2 pages is the smallest that I've seen. It is often "as long as you like."

To the OP: Edit it down for the UCLA essay. Submit this one to UCLA. Submit whichever you like better to schools which allow over 2 pages.

"as long as you like" is the first test. If your PS is longer than 2 pages, you've failed.

+1 with the exception of berk and maybe a couple others.

Thanks for the input!

the 12 pt font is the problem, that's what has gotten me too. I have a 2 page version and a 3 page version for the schools that let me throw them 3 pages. my 2 page version is 11 font, and goes from the left-most space at the top line (obviously) to the right most space of the bottom line. pain in the ass to strike more things out of it!

but having 2 personal statements is something i'd reccomend. let's you go with more for schools that will allow it, lets you follow the rules of the ones that dont.

Honestly, if I apply to UCLA, I'm sending my essays 11pt. I don't really give a rats ass about their 12pt rule since they are the only school which specifies it.

ive seen 2 besides them i think...not sure which atm

The 12 point rule language is quite strong. I am going to cut down my PS just for them. It turns out to be about 4-5 lines, that's quite a bit.

IIRC I sent UCLA 11.5 pt last year and there was no problem. Also I'd double check to make sure but again IIRC only Boalt allowed more than 2 pages.

EDIT: Here are the PS limits for the T14 and UCLA. It looks like UCLA's rule is indeed the most restrictive.

Yale: no information
Harvard: 2 pages, double spaced, 11-point font, 1 inch margins
Stanford: about 2 pages
Columbia: should be printed on a supplementary sheet or two
Chicago: no page limit, but generally 2-3 pages is sufficient in most circumstances
NYU: content and length at your discretion
Michigan: the length is up to you
Virginia: no information
Penn: 2 pages, double spaced
Berkeley: 2-4 pages, double spaced
Duke: no required length
Northwestern: no information
Cornell: try to limit to 2 pages, double spaced, 11-point font
Georgetown: no information
UCLA: 2 pages, double spaced, 12-point font

Yale 250 is an additional requirement. Their PS is 2 pgs IIRC

Hattori Hanzo wrote:Yale 250 is an additional requirement. Their PS is 2 pgs IIRC

I see. Edited.

if they specify 2 pages: make it 2 pages.

if they suggest 2 pages: go a little over if you feel it's necessary to your essay's affect on the reader.

don't go 10 pages, because you're bill shakespeare. no one's finishing that puppy.

im_blue wrote:

Hattori Hanzo wrote:Yale 250 is an additional requirement. Their PS is 2 pgs IIRC

I see. Edited.

Yale doesn't have a 2 page "hard" limit but they prefer if you limit it to 2 pages.