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sanetruth wrote:So we all know the questions on all applications like "have you ever been convicted of a felony?" and "have you ever been removed or banned from a public organization", "have you ever been discharged from the military"...

but on one app, i saw "have you ever been fired or unwillingly terminated from a job due to lack of performance" (paraphrased, and i can't remember which app it is, i'm too lazy to look right now)

it goes on to say, of course, that failure to disclose and explain such information constitutes an ethics violation that, if found out, can prevent one from sitting for the bar or being disbarred.

anyways, my dilemma. I was 'informally fired' from a part time college job. It was a job i had throughout college, in which the only higher-up was the boss, who I knew very well. A new rule was put in place my fourth year there that I had on many previous occasions 'violated' but obviously never been subject to discipline for because it wasn't a rule then. so, the new rule was put in place, and naturally i started to unknowingly violate it. my boss told me that it was mainly put in place for the younger, coming up employees (I was a supervisor). Anyways, to cut to the chase, I violated this new rule a second time and my boss made an example of me, probably because he knew i was graduating in two months and informally 'fired me'. What I mean by that was he called me on the phone and said 'I guess i'm gonna have to fire you'. There was no paperwork, no nothing, i just never went to work again for the next few months, and my boss got to say to the newcomers 'if you don't comply, you'll be fired like him (i.e. i'm not messing around)'

anyways, is this something I need to disclose on my application to this particular school? It seems so arbitrary and random, but i'm afraid that if I don't say anything, it could come back to haunt me? And, to the contrary, if I do say something I feel like it will hurt my application, because the informality of it really gives no good explanation.

No other app that I have seen asks for information about being fired.

Pip wrote:

sanetruth wrote:So we all know the questions on all applications like "have you ever been convicted of a felony?" and "have you ever been removed or banned from a public organization", "have you ever been discharged from the military"...

but on one app, i saw "have you ever been fired or unwillingly terminated from a job due to lack of performance" (paraphrased, and i can't remember which app it is, i'm too lazy to look right now)

it goes on to say, of course, that failure to disclose and explain such information constitutes an ethics violation that, if found out, can prevent one from sitting for the bar or being disbarred.

anyways, my dilemma. I was 'informally fired' from a part time college job. It was a job i had throughout college, in which the only higher-up was the boss, who I knew very well. A new rule was put in place my fourth year there that I had on many previous occasions 'violated' but obviously never been subject to discipline for because it wasn't a rule then. so, the new rule was put in place, and naturally i started to unknowingly violate it. my boss told me that it was mainly put in place for the younger, coming up employees (I was a supervisor). Anyways, to cut to the chase, I violated this new rule a second time and my boss made an example of me, probably because he knew i was graduating in two months and informally 'fired me'. What I mean by that was he called me on the phone and said 'I guess i'm gonna have to fire you'. There was no paperwork, no nothing, i just never went to work again for the next few months, and my boss got to say to the newcomers 'if you don't comply, you'll be fired like him (i.e. i'm not messing around)'

anyways, is this something I need to disclose on my application to this particular school? It seems so arbitrary and random, but i'm afraid that if I don't say anything, it could come back to haunt me? And, to the contrary, if I do say something I feel like it will hurt my application, because the informality of it really gives no good explanation.

No other app that I have seen asks for information about being fired.

If you are going to list the name of your past employer then they could come back and tell someone that you were terminated... if you aren't listing them anywhere then no one is ever going to know.

Pip wrote:

sanetruth wrote:So we all know the questions on all applications like "have you ever been convicted of a felony?" and "have you ever been removed or banned from a public organization", "have you ever been discharged from the military"...

but on one app, i saw "have you ever been fired or unwillingly terminated from a job due to lack of performance" (paraphrased, and i can't remember which app it is, i'm too lazy to look right now)

it goes on to say, of course, that failure to disclose and explain such information constitutes an ethics violation that, if found out, can prevent one from sitting for the bar or being disbarred.

anyways, my dilemma. I was 'informally fired' from a part time college job. It was a job i had throughout college, in which the only higher-up was the boss, who I knew very well. A new rule was put in place my fourth year there that I had on many previous occasions 'violated' but obviously never been subject to discipline for because it wasn't a rule then. so, the new rule was put in place, and naturally i started to unknowingly violate it. my boss told me that it was mainly put in place for the younger, coming up employees (I was a supervisor). Anyways, to cut to the chase, I violated this new rule a second time and my boss made an example of me, probably because he knew i was graduating in two months and informally 'fired me'. What I mean by that was he called me on the phone and said 'I guess i'm gonna have to fire you'. There was no paperwork, no nothing, i just never went to work again for the next few months, and my boss got to say to the newcomers 'if you don't comply, you'll be fired like him (i.e. i'm not messing around)'

anyways, is this something I need to disclose on my application to this particular school? It seems so arbitrary and random, but i'm afraid that if I don't say anything, it could come back to haunt me? And, to the contrary, if I do say something I feel like it will hurt my application, because the informality of it really gives no good explanation.

No other app that I have seen asks for information about being fired.

If you are going to list the name of your past employer then they could come back and tell someone that you were terminated... if you aren't listing them anywhere then no one is ever going to know.

sanetruth wrote:So we all know the questions on all applications like "have you ever been convicted of a felony?" and "have you ever been removed or banned from a public organization", "have you ever been discharged from the military"...

but on one app, i saw "have you ever been fired or unwillingly terminated from a job due to lack of performance" (paraphrased, and i can't remember which app it is, i'm too lazy to look right now)

it goes on to say, of course, that failure to disclose and explain such information constitutes an ethics violation that, if found out, can prevent one from sitting for the bar or being disbarred.

anyways, my dilemma. I was 'informally fired' from a part time college job. It was a job i had throughout college, in which the only higher-up was the boss, who I knew very well. A new rule was put in place my fourth year there that I had on many previous occasions 'violated' but obviously never been subject to discipline for because it wasn't a rule then. so, the new rule was put in place, and naturally i started to unknowingly violate it. my boss told me that it was mainly put in place for the younger, coming up employees (I was a supervisor). Anyways, to cut to the chase, I violated this new rule a second time and my boss made an example of me, probably because he knew i was graduating in two months and informally 'fired me'. What I mean by that was he called me on the phone and said 'I guess i'm gonna have to fire you'. There was no paperwork, no nothing, i just never went to work again for the next few months, and my boss got to say to the newcomers 'if you don't comply, you'll be fired like him (i.e. i'm not messing around)'

anyways, is this something I need to disclose on my application to this particular school? It seems so arbitrary and random, but i'm afraid that if I don't say anything, it could come back to haunt me? And, to the contrary, if I do say something I feel like it will hurt my application, because the informality of it really gives no good explanation.

No other app that I have seen asks for information about being fired.

trudat15 wrote:But if you got checks through your school, you most definitely gave them your social. They w4'd you, so you were an employee. You might want to call the school and follow up and see what's on record, because that's what I would imagine is what's important.
To be honest they probably wont follow up. But would you want to gamble your future legal career on if they didnt?

merc280 wrote:what if it something like my situation where I told my internship boss I was going on vacation and he said there was no need to fill out any paper work, and that I should just remind him when I got back in town, and when I emailed him letting him know I was back in town he pretended that I had never told him I was taking 2 weeks off and that I should not come to the office because he would have me go home.

Would that count as getting fired? This was a internship not related to school and was a family business(consulting firm)

trudat15 wrote:

merc280 wrote:what if it something like my situation where I told my internship boss I was going on vacation and he said there was no need to fill out any paper work, and that I should just remind him when I got back in town, and when I emailed him letting him know I was back in town he pretended that I had never told him I was taking 2 weeks off and that I should not come to the office because he would have me go home.

Would that count as getting fired? This was a internship not related to school and was a family business(consulting firm)

Doubt you need to disclose. If it's an unpaid internship, just dont put it on your resume.

sanetruth wrote:

trudat15 wrote:But would you want to gamble your future legal career on if they didnt?

exactly. so annoying. still unsure of what to do. maybe I just won't apply to the school that has this requirement haha.

merc280 wrote:

trudat15 wrote:

merc280 wrote:what if it something like my situation where I told my internship boss I was going on vacation and he said there was no need to fill out any paper work, and that I should just remind him when I got back in town, and when I emailed him letting him know I was back in town he pretended that I had never told him I was taking 2 weeks off and that I should not come to the office because he would have me go home.

Would that count as getting fired? This was a internship not related to school and was a family business(consulting firm)

Doubt you need to disclose. If it's an unpaid internship, just dont put it on your resume.

It was paid, just wasn't through the school. Filed a w4 and everything. kept working there for a few weeks until after graduation.

trudat15 wrote:

merc280 wrote:

trudat15 wrote:

merc280 wrote:what if it something like my situation where I told my internship boss I was going on vacation and he said there was no need to fill out any paper work, and that I should just remind him when I got back in town, and when I emailed him letting him know I was back in town he pretended that I had never told him I was taking 2 weeks off and that I should not come to the office because he would have me go home.

Would that count as getting fired? This was a internship not related to school and was a family business(consulting firm)

Doubt you need to disclose. If it's an unpaid internship, just dont put it on your resume.

It was paid, just wasn't through the school. Filed a w4 and everything. kept working there for a few weeks until after graduation.

Disclose. But before you do, call the former employer and find out what's that company's official HR file they have on you and confirm.

General rule of thumb, when in doubt, disclose.

merc280 wrote:

That company didn't have an HR dept-file, and kept no records of interns other than having us fill out w4's. Also this company was run by the son and step father, so not many people involved in upper management.

sanetruth wrote: If, in a real job, you are FIRED, it has to be documented as such and signed off on (closing papers) so as to avoid lawsuits etc for improper termination. This guy just asked me not to come in anymore, and that was it. I do think I was fired, but there is a huge asterisk, and I'm just wondering if this asterisk enables me not to mention it.

I think the best advice so far has been to call the school and see what my documents say. If it doesn't say in writing anywhere that I was fired, then I'm thinking it doesn't have to be disclosed.