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Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:25 pm
by PLATONiC
In what way, though? UVA seems to have a higher percentage of graduates going to the top firms according to the "Go-To" law schools rankings for 2008~2010.
What does Michigan have that consistently gets them to rank higher than UVA? In your opinion, which school is better???
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:27 pm
by rundoxierun
peer schools.. neither is categorically better
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:29 pm
by PLATONiC
It might seem a little pointless of me starting a pole on this, since I've already seen so many polls showing people would rather go to Mich than UVA. But I just don't see why... I'm wondering if poling results would differ if UVA was #9 and Mich was #10.
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:32 pm
by rundoxierun
PLATONiC wrote:It might seem a little pointless of me starting a pole on this, since I've already seen so many polls showing people would rather go to Mich than UVA. But I just don't see why... I'm wondering if poling results would differ if UVA was #9 and Mich was #10.
Lots of ppl have never been to UVA and fear it will be super southern/fratty/conservative.. this explains the poll results
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:34 pm
by holydonkey
As a completely unbiased commenter, I'd have to say Michigan is better.
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:35 pm
by Joan Hollaway
holydonkey wrote:As a completely unbiased commenter, I'd have to say Michigan is better.
+1
T9 ftw
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:38 pm
by luhrenzo
from an someone who has not shot at either school, based on non-law related factors (weather, social atmosphere, geographic location) i actually prefer UVA and C'Ville, fwiw
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:44 pm
by holydonkey
luhrenzo wrote:from an someone who has not shot at either school, based on non-law related factors (weather, social atmosphere, geographic location) i actually prefer UVA and C'Ville, fwiw
Based on non-baseball related factors, I believe the Washington Nationals will win the World Series.
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:46 pm
by miamiman
Serious q: can michigan indefinitely maintain its rank if the larger state in which it operates has...for lack of a better expression, failed?
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:49 pm
by luhrenzo
holydonkey wrote:luhrenzo wrote:from an someone who has not shot at either school, based on non-law related factors (weather, social atmosphere, geographic location) i actually prefer UVA and C'Ville, fwiw
Based on non-baseball related factors, I believe the Washington Nationals will win the World Series.
i love lamp
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:52 pm
by cardnal124
miamiman wrote:Serious q: can michigan indefinitely maintain its rank if the larger state in which it operates has...for lack of a better expression, failed?
Can Berkeley?
And Michigan hasn't failed, just Detroit. Still have the Chicago market to go to.
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:56 pm
by miamiman
cardnal124 wrote:miamiman wrote:Serious q: can michigan indefinitely maintain its rank if the larger state in which it operates has...for lack of a better expression, failed?
Can Berkeley?
And Michigan hasn't failed, just Detroit. Still have the Chicago market to go to.
Last time I checked, detroit was the only meaningful city in michigan. And analogizing the challenges in california (considerable) to those in michigan (catastrophic, apocalyptic) is just laughable.
I have no bone to pick with michigan as a school - its fabulous - but I think this is a real question
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:00 pm
by cardnal124
miamiman wrote:cardnal124 wrote:miamiman wrote:Serious q: can michigan indefinitely maintain its rank if the larger state in which it operates has...for lack of a better expression, failed?
Can Berkeley?
And Michigan hasn't failed, just Detroit. Still have the Chicago market to go to.
Last time I checked, detroit was the only meaningful city in michigan. And analogizing the challenges in california (considerable) to those in michigan (catastrophic, apocalyptic) is just laughable.
I have no bone to pick with michigan as a school - its faculous - but I think this is a real question
As far as out-of-state law students should be concerned California is worse off. I haven't heard of 30% tuition rate hikes at Michigan.
So long as the school can attract good students, faculty, and have a national reach, they will maintain rank.
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:00 pm
by holydonkey
miamiman wrote:Serious q: can michigan indefinitely maintain its rank if the larger state in which it operates has...for lack of a better expression, failed?
Not a problem. It's not like the law school is the only top program at Michigan.
#9 School of Education
#8 College of Engineering
#6 Medical School
#9 Earth Sciences
#8 Math
#5 Library and Info Sciences
#4 Poly Sci
#3 Psychology
#7 History
#3 Sociology
#5 Nursing
#7 Public Affairs
etc etc
Also, last I heard, 97% of law grads leave the state.
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:05 pm
by miamiman
I guess the question I'm building towards is can Umich maintain its stature absent ANY home market to place into?
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:08 pm
by Burgstaller04
To answer the title question: Yes
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:23 pm
by Mr. Pablo
miamiman wrote:I guess the question I'm building towards is can Umich maintain its stature absent ANY home market to place into?
It has and it will continue to do so. Detroit has been a shithole for a couple of decades, nor has it ever been any sort of legal mecca. UM has a great reputation across the country and I can't see any reason why the economy of its home state would alter that.
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:25 pm
by sumus romani
cardnal124 wrote:miamiman wrote:Serious q: can michigan indefinitely maintain its rank if the larger state in which it operates has...for lack of a better expression, failed?
Can Berkeley?
And Michigan hasn't failed, just Detroit. Still have the Chicago market to go to.
There are lots of other cities in MI that have failed. Flint, for example, used to be an important manufacturing city. Same with Lansing. Detroit is the biggest failure by far, but there are lots of smaller manufacturing cities that, when added up, really amount to a lot of failure.
Now, having said this, I'd bet that at this point, very little M funds come from the state, at least for the law school.
I voted for M notwithstanding the above, because of AA and M's general awesomeness.
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:28 pm
by sumus romani
Mr. Pablo wrote:miamiman wrote:I guess the question I'm building towards is can Umich maintain its stature absent ANY home market to place into?
It has and it will continue to do so. Detroit has been a shithole for a couple of decades, nor has it ever been any sort of legal mecca. UM has a great reputation across the country and I can't see any reason why the economy of its home state would alter that.
Yale has no home market either, yet you don't ask this question about Yale. Look, not having a home market is an advantage in some ways for an elite school, I would guess, because it forces you to be national.
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:31 pm
by RPK34
Going back to 2005, Michigan has never sent a greater percentage of students into NLJ250 or Article III clerkships than UVA, though UVA generally just barely edges them out.
Michigan is probably going to place better into the Midwest, VA will place into DC better, and both have a pretty good national reach. Not a huge difference in quality though.
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:33 pm
by miamiman
Did you seriously argue:
1. Lacking a home market is ever a positive?
2. There exist any similarities between yls and mich law beyond the fact that they are both law schools?
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:33 pm
by GordonBombay
TITCR
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:34 pm
by RPK34
sumus romani wrote:Mr. Pablo wrote:miamiman wrote:I guess the question I'm building towards is can Umich maintain its stature absent ANY home market to place into?
It has and it will continue to do so. Detroit has been a shithole for a couple of decades, nor has it ever been any sort of legal mecca. UM has a great reputation across the country and I can't see any reason why the economy of its home state would alter that.
Yale has no home market either, yet you don't ask this question about Yale. Look, not having a home market is an advantage in some ways for an elite school, I would guess, because it forces you to be national.
Yale? What's your point? It's Yale.
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:38 pm
by D Brooks
Ran here.
And TCR is "not even a little bit."
Re: Is Michigan really better than UVA?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:39 pm
by D Brooks
GordonBombay wrote:
TITCR