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youpiiz wrote:

los blancos wrote:He probably posted a picture from a site that doesn't allow hotlinking.

GULC gets hated on because of its PT program, its large class size, and its competitive environment. TBH I don't think it's a better school than any of the schools ranked higher than it.

fortissimo wrote:

los blancos wrote:He probably posted a picture from a site that doesn't allow hotlinking.

GULC gets hated on because of its PT program, its large class size, and its competitive environment. TBH I don't think it's a better school than any of the schools ranked higher than it.

It also has super shitty clerkship placement...(ditto with academia placement).

If OP is going to link employment data, at least add in clerkships please because in general clerkships >> biglaw in terms of how difficult they are to get.

kalvano wrote:Stop trolling for GULC. Or at least make some effort to hide it.

violinst wrote:

fortissimo wrote:

los blancos wrote:He probably posted a picture from a site that doesn't allow hotlinking.

GULC gets hated on because of its PT program, its large class size, and its competitive environment. TBH I don't think it's a better school than any of the schools ranked higher than it.

It also has super shitty clerkship placement...(ditto with academia placement).

If OP is going to link employment data, at least add in clerkships please because in general clerkships >> biglaw in terms of how difficult they are to get.

http://www.leiterrankings.com/jobs/2000 ... erks.shtml

Better than UPenn at least. Also, Leiter used the FT+PT number, though I doubt that any one in the PT program would do clerkship. If Leiter had only used the FT number, GULC could have ranked much higher!

fortissimo wrote:

violinst wrote:

fortissimo wrote:

los blancos wrote:He probably posted a picture from a site that doesn't allow hotlinking.

GULC gets hated on because of its PT program, its large class size, and its competitive environment. TBH I don't think it's a better school than any of the schools ranked higher than it.

It also has super shitty clerkship placement...(ditto with academia placement).

If OP is going to link employment data, at least add in clerkships please because in general clerkships >> biglaw in terms of how difficult they are to get.

http://www.leiterrankings.com/jobs/2000 ... erks.shtml

Better than UPenn at least. Also, Leiter used the FT+PT number, though I doubt that any one in the PT program would do clerkship. If Leiter had only used the FT number, GULC could have ranked much higher!

Again, this is just SCOTUS placement.

You need ARTICLE III clerkship placement data (includes SCOTUS, fed COA, and fed district). If I remember correctly, GULC has a poor Article III placement showing.

violinst wrote: I thought that the SCOTUS placement would be most telling.

1. Stanford - 77.1%
2. Yale - 72.1%
3. Harvard - 65.7%
4. Virginia - 65.2%
5. Michigan - 64.9%
6. Columbia - 64.0%
7. Chicago - 63.1%
8. Northwestern - 62.7%
9. Penn - 61.7%
10. Duke - 61.5%
11. Berkeley - 58.1%
12. NYU - 57.4%
13. Vanderbilt - 55.0%
14. Cornell - 52.4%
15. Georgetown - 48.4%
16. Texas - 47.5%
17. USC - 47.2%
18. UCLA - 41.9%
19. Boston College - 38.0%
20. Notre Dame - 37.8%

fortissimo wrote:

violinst wrote: I thought that the SCOTUS placement would be most telling.

You have got to be kidding me. Article III includes SCOTUS, by the way, and pretty much all federal clerkships are considered more prestigious than most biglaw.

fortissimo wrote:NLJ and Article III Clerkships
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=108528

1. Stanford - 77.1%
2. Yale - 72.1%
3. Harvard - 65.7%
4. Virginia - 65.2%
5. Michigan - 64.9%
6. Columbia - 64.0%
7. Chicago - 63.1%
8. Northwestern - 62.7%
9. Penn - 61.7%
10. Duke - 61.5%
11. Berkeley - 58.1%
12. NYU - 57.4%
13. Vanderbilt - 55.0%
14. Cornell - 52.4%
15. Georgetown - 48.4%
16. Texas - 47.5%
17. USC - 47.2%
18. UCLA - 41.9%
19. Boston College - 38.0%
20. Notre Dame - 37.8%

violinst wrote:

fortissimo wrote:

violinst wrote: I thought that the SCOTUS placement would be most telling.

You have got to be kidding me. Article III includes SCOTUS, by the way, and pretty much all federal clerkships are considered more prestigious than most biglaw.

How am I kidding you?

It's most telling since SCOTUS clerkships are the most difficult ones to get. Adding other clerkships into the mix would simply dilute the difficulty. Again, if one assumes that only full-time students at GULC get SCOTUS clerkships (very reasonable to me), than GULC does pretty well in SCOTUS clerkship placement as well.

Look, you seem to be very combative. If you have a beef with GULC, vent it somewhere else. I simply was surprised that G-town's FT students have good stats and its placements in NLJ250 firms and SCOTUS clerkships are quite good (if, again, one assumes that most of jobs went to 450-or-so FT students).

fortissimo wrote:NLJ and Article III Clerkships
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=108528

1. Stanford - 77.1%
2. Yale - 72.1%
3. Harvard - 65.7%
4. Virginia - 65.2%
5. Michigan - 64.9%
6. Columbia - 64.0%
7. Chicago - 63.1%
8. Northwestern - 62.7%
9. Penn - 61.7%
10. Duke - 61.5%
11. Berkeley - 58.1%
12. NYU - 57.4%
13. Vanderbilt - 55.0%
14. Cornell - 52.4%
15. Georgetown - 48.4%
16. Texas - 47.5%
17. USC - 47.2%
18. UCLA - 41.9%
19. Boston College - 38.0%
20. Notre Dame - 37.8%

violinst wrote:

kalvano wrote:Stop trolling for GULC. Or at least make some effort to hide it.

No. I just want to be in D.C and rationalize my decision of not picking Michigan$$, Duke, or Cornell(possible$$).

violinst wrote:

fortissimo wrote:NLJ and Article III Clerkships
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=108528

1. Stanford - 77.1%
2. Yale - 72.1%
3. Harvard - 65.7%
4. Virginia - 65.2%
5. Michigan - 64.9%
6. Columbia - 64.0%
7. Chicago - 63.1%
8. Northwestern - 62.7%
9. Penn - 61.7%
10. Duke - 61.5%
11. Berkeley - 58.1%
12. NYU - 57.4%
13. Vanderbilt - 55.0%
14. Cornell - 52.4%
15. Georgetown - 48.4%
16. Texas - 47.5%
17. USC - 47.2%
18. UCLA - 41.9%
19. Boston College - 38.0%
20. Notre Dame - 37.8%

And the true federal clerkship ranking:
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... =1&t=75513
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Alabama, Kentucky, and Ohio State all seem to do very well.

I believe that the SCOTUS ranking is still the most telling. And I still think that on the FT number should be used in Leiter's ranking.

fortissimo wrote:
Logic fail, OP.

The reason why I think you should include Article III clerkships is because they tend to require higher GPAs than biglaw does. Adding in Article III clerkship placement with biglaw placement paints a more accurate picture of actual employment prospects than just posting stats about biglaw alone.

Yes, SCOTUS clerkships are harder to get, but how does this defeat my point that all Article III clerkships in general are harder to get than biglaw? Isn't the entire point to paint an an accurate employment picture for the schools? Why would you only add in SCOTUS placement when pretty much ALL ARTICLE III CLERKSHIPS require higher GPAs than biglaw?

fortissimo wrote:NLJ and Article III Clerkships
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=108528

1. Stanford - 77.1%
2. Yale - 72.1%
3. Harvard - 65.7%
4. Virginia - 65.2%
5. Michigan - 64.9%
6. Columbia - 64.0%
7. Chicago - 63.1%
8. Northwestern - 62.7%
9. Penn - 61.7%
10. Duke - 61.5%
11. Berkeley - 58.1%
12. NYU - 57.4%
13. Vanderbilt - 55.0%
14. Cornell - 52.4%
15. Georgetown - 48.4%
16. Texas - 47.5%
17. USC - 47.2%
18. UCLA - 41.9%
19. Boston College - 38.0%
20. Notre Dame - 37.8%

los blancos wrote: This is actually kind of shocking. There's a ~10% spread between Dook and Yale (#2-#10), and a ~13% spread between Duke and GULC (#10-#15)

Also, as with any data that relies on NLJ250 placement as a proxy for biglaw, UT, USC and UCLA are underrated due to their geographic locations (but I'm an idiot 0L, someone correct me if I'm wrong).

fortissimo wrote:

violinst wrote:

fortissimo wrote:NLJ and Article III Clerkships
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=108528

1. Stanford - 77.1%
2. Yale - 72.1%
3. Harvard - 65.7%
4. Virginia - 65.2%
5. Michigan - 64.9%
6. Columbia - 64.0%
7. Chicago - 63.1%
8. Northwestern - 62.7%
9. Penn - 61.7%
10. Duke - 61.5%
11. Berkeley - 58.1%
12. NYU - 57.4%
13. Vanderbilt - 55.0%
14. Cornell - 52.4%
15. Georgetown - 48.4%
16. Texas - 47.5%
17. USC - 47.2%
18. UCLA - 41.9%
19. Boston College - 38.0%
20. Notre Dame - 37.8%

And the true federal clerkship ranking:
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... =1&t=75513
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Alabama, Kentucky, and Ohio State all seem to do very well.

I believe that the SCOTUS ranking is still the most telling. And I still think that on the FT number should be used in Leiter's ranking.

Are you seriously ESL?

Note, I said NLJ and Article III clerkships. The statistics I posted added in BOTH BIGLAW AND CLERKSHIP placement rates, so yes, they added in those clerkship statistics you linked.

And, again:
Logic fail, OP.

The reason why I think you should include Article III clerkships is because they tend to require higher GPAs than biglaw does. Adding in Article III clerkship placement with biglaw placement paints a more accurate picture of actual employment prospects than just posting stats about biglaw alone.

Yes, SCOTUS clerkships are harder to get, but how does this defeat my point that all Article III clerkships in general are harder to get than biglaw? Isn't the entire point to paint an an accurate employment picture for the schools? Why would you only add in SCOTUS placement when pretty much ALL ARTICLE III CLERKSHIPS require higher GPAs than biglaw?

fortissimo wrote:

violinst wrote: I thought that the SCOTUS placement would be most telling.

You have got to be kidding me. Article III includes SCOTUS, by the way, and pretty much all federal clerkships are considered more prestigious than most biglaw.

violinst wrote: Really? --LinkRemoved--
New Mexico better than Columbia, Berkeley, NYU, UCLA,.....
Again, SCOTUS clerkship placement is the most telling, while Article III is not.