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Is 166 correct? Or could UVA Ed/ Georgetown part time put the lsat even lower (and of course assuming the rest of the application is solid)?

There's no exact number. 166 is possible if you ED, higher is certainly much better.

forgetting about Berkeley?

poo wrote:Is 166 correct? Or could UVA Ed/ Georgetown part time put the lsat even lower (and of course assuming the rest of the application is solid)?

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/coolhandluke10/jd

At least 1 one person made it in with a 3.94/162, but he's a VA resident. I'd say 25% LSAT would probably be the absolute minimum if you don't live in Virginia.

3.95 from what kind of school?

BigA wrote:forgetting about Berkeley?

Yeah and they are one of my top choices too.... Is it true they favor GPA over the lsat?

blsingindisguise wrote:3.95 from what kind of school?

One you've probbaly never heard of... will that screw me?

poo wrote:

blsingindisguise wrote:3.95 from what kind of school?

One you've probbaly never heard of... will that screw me?

Totally doesn't matter (unless maybe if it's like University of Phoenix Online or something, in which case a few schools might blink, but even then probably not).

vanwinkle wrote:

poo wrote:

blsingindisguise wrote:3.95 from what kind of school?

One you've probbaly never heard of... will that screw me?

Totally doesn't matter (unless maybe if it's like University of Phoenix Online or something, in which case a few schools might blink, but even then probably not).

Good to hear... And yeah it's not that bad haha. We did send a few kids to UVA (which is what I'm hoping for) last year so it's not incredibly awful.

poo wrote:Is 166 correct? Or could UVA Ed/ Georgetown part time put the lsat even lower (and of course assuming the rest of the application is solid)?

with a 3.95 gpa:
if you get a 167 you should be almost a lock to get into cornell. a 167 will make michigan, uva a target, and penn, duke, berkeley, georgetown a realistic reaches.
a 166 would make cornell, uva, and michigan realistic reaches, but anything lower than that would put even those schools out of reach since admissions has become more competitive with the increase in apps.

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vanwinkle wrote:

poo wrote:

blsingindisguise wrote:3.95 from what kind of school?

One you've probbaly never heard of... will that screw me?

Totally doesn't matter (unless maybe if it's like University of Phoenix Online or something, in which case a few schools might blink, but even then probably not).

I realize we could debate this all day, but I'm popping in to say the underlined just isn't true. I'm sorry. It's a myth that TLS likes to promote, but UG prestige definitely matters to a certain extent at the very top schools. There is no question about it.

crackberry wrote:

vanwinkle wrote:

poo wrote:

blsingindisguise wrote:3.95 from what kind of school?

One you've probbaly never heard of... will that screw me?

Totally doesn't matter (unless maybe if it's like University of Phoenix Online or something, in which case a few schools might blink, but even then probably not).

I realize we could debate this all day, but I'm popping in to say the underlined just isn't true. I'm sorry. It's a myth that TLS likes to promote, but UG prestige definitely matters to a certain extent at the very top schools. There is no question about it.

+10,000 to crackberry.

crackberry wrote:

vanwinkle wrote:

poo wrote:

blsingindisguise wrote:3.95 from what kind of school?

One you've probbaly never heard of... will that screw me?

Totally doesn't matter (unless maybe if it's like University of Phoenix Online or something, in which case a few schools might blink, but even then probably not).

I realize we could debate this all day, but I'm popping in to say the underlined just isn't true. I'm sorry. It's a myth that TLS likes to promote, but UG prestige definitely matters to a certain extent at the very top schools. There is no question about it.

+1

my numbers could have swung my cycle in either way, but i came out on top..i think largely due to my undergrad

To be clear, I'm not arguing that a poor UG hurts an applicant; I'm arguing that a prestigious UG helps an applicant. I don't think a 175, 3.9 from a poor UG is screwed, but I think if we're talking about HYSChicago in particular, the 172, 3.9 from HYPS UG wins out over the 172, 3.9 from Nothing State every single time (excepting URM).

crackberry wrote:To be clear, I'm not arguing that a poor UG hurts an applicant; I'm arguing that a prestigious UG helps an applicant. I don't think a 175, 3.9 from a poor UG is screwed, but I think if we're talking about HYSChicago in particular, the 172, 3.9 from HYPS UG wins out over the 172, 3.9 from Nothing State every single time (excepting URM).

even if 172/3.9 was a rhodes scholar? i am being a bit facetious but you get my point. it is a bonus but not an end all absolute.

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crackberry wrote:To be clear, I'm not arguing that a poor UG hurts an applicant; I'm arguing that a prestigious UG helps an applicant. I don't think a 175, 3.9 from a poor UG is screwed, but I think if we're talking about HYSChicago in particular, the 172, 3.9 from HYPS UG wins out over the 172, 3.9 from Nothing State every single time (excepting URM).

This.

I also think the importance of UG strength is magnified for reverse splitters.

Oblomov wrote:

crackberry wrote:To be clear, I'm not arguing that a poor UG hurts an applicant; I'm arguing that a prestigious UG helps an applicant. I don't think a 175, 3.9 from a poor UG is screwed, but I think if we're talking about HYSChicago in particular, the 172, 3.9 from HYPS UG wins out over the 172, 3.9 from Nothing State every single time (excepting URM).

I don't think anyone argues that. The question is, what it HYPS only had a 170?

That's a different argument. If we agree that 172, 3.9 HYPS beats 172, 3.9 Nothing State, though, that means UG prestige means something, no?

For the record, I think 170, 3.9 HYPS with a solid app is probably about = to 172, 3.9 Nothing State.

crackberry wrote:

Oblomov wrote:

crackberry wrote:To be clear, I'm not arguing that a poor UG hurts an applicant; I'm arguing that a prestigious UG helps an applicant. I don't think a 175, 3.9 from a poor UG is screwed, but I think if we're talking about HYSChicago in particular, the 172, 3.9 from HYPS UG wins out over the 172, 3.9 from Nothing State every single time (excepting URM).

I don't think anyone argues that. The question is, what it HYPS only had a 170?

That's a different argument. If we agree that 172, 3.9 HYPS beats 172, 3.9 Nothing State, though, that means UG prestige means something, no?

For the record, I think 170, 3.9 HYPS with a solid app is probably about = to 172, 3.9 Nothing State.

I think that's about right. I've looked into this a lot and the prestigious undergrad boost seems to be around 2 LSAT points. The thing to remember is that admissions is a zero-sum game, so if it's an advantage to those people, it's a disadvantage to people from non-prestigious undergrads. This seems especially true at schools like Yale and Stanford, where there are fewer applicants and fewer spots and almost every decent applicant is from a good school.

tomhobbes wrote:

crackberry wrote:

Oblomov wrote:

crackberry wrote:To be clear, I'm not arguing that a poor UG hurts an applicant; I'm arguing that a prestigious UG helps an applicant. I don't think a 175, 3.9 from a poor UG is screwed, but I think if we're talking about HYSChicago in particular, the 172, 3.9 from HYPS UG wins out over the 172, 3.9 from Nothing State every single time (excepting URM).

I don't think anyone argues that. The question is, what it HYPS only had a 170?

That's a different argument. If we agree that 172, 3.9 HYPS beats 172, 3.9 Nothing State, though, that means UG prestige means something, no?

For the record, I think 170, 3.9 HYPS with a solid app is probably about = to 172, 3.9 Nothing State.

I think that's about right. I've looked into this a lot and the prestigious undergrad boost seems to be around 2 LSAT points. The thing to remember is that admissions is a zero-sum game, so if it's an advantage to those people, it's a disadvantage to people from non-prestigious undergrads. This seems especially true at schools like Yale and Stanford, where there are fewer applicants and fewer spots and almost every decent applicant is from a good school.

+1 exactly. a boost for one subgroup is a minus for others

englawyer wrote:

tomhobbes wrote:I think that's about right. I've looked into this a lot and the prestigious undergrad boost seems to be around 2 LSAT points. The thing to remember is that admissions is a zero-sum game, so if it's an advantage to those people, it's a disadvantage to people from non-prestigious undergrads. This seems especially true at schools like Yale and Stanford, where there are fewer applicants and fewer spots and almost every decent applicant is from a good school.

+1 exactly. a boost for one subgroup is a minus for others

Yeah, that's definitely right. I guess my point was more that, in a vacuum, 172, 3.9 from Nothing State is not getting frowned upon just because of the UG. But LS admissions are not in a vacuum.

crackberry wrote:

englawyer wrote:

tomhobbes wrote:I think that's about right. I've looked into this a lot and the prestigious undergrad boost seems to be around 2 LSAT points. The thing to remember is that admissions is a zero-sum game, so if it's an advantage to those people, it's a disadvantage to people from non-prestigious undergrads. This seems especially true at schools like Yale and Stanford, where there are fewer applicants and fewer spots and almost every decent applicant is from a good school.

+1 exactly. a boost for one subgroup is a minus for others

Yeah, that's definitely right. I guess my point was more that, in a vacuum, 172, 3.9 from Nothing State is not getting frowned upon just because of the UG. But LS admissions are not in a vacuum.

This boost really only appears at the very top schools, and at the very edges. If you notice extreme spiltters who have good cycles usually are at prestigious undergrads, or had difficult majors.

But I doubt the adcoms view it as HYP and then nothing else matters. I'm guessing going to a well know public would probably help a bit too. This would make going to a no name school a disadvantage.

But I just don't see this as a fact on LSN for most schools. HYS and only for people with a low GPA at Chicago and Penn.

I don't think a person should worry about it because the boost isn't very large, and is hard to quantify.

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poo wrote:Is 166 correct? Or could UVA Ed/ Georgetown part time put the lsat even lower (and of course assuming the rest of the application is solid)?

Don't get too high of an LSAT score or a bunch of schools will waitlist you. It's the giant donut hole of law school applications.