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Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:43 am
by sassafraza
as in the average person in the street would be impressed by the name. The top few are pretty obvious but how about the rest? Could some non T-14 schools actually have greater prestige because of the prestige of the institution in general and not the law school? It would help if you say what region you're coming from.
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:45 am
by tadams86
For instance, UCLA and USC have name recognition because of sports? I dont think that works in the legal community. Or because a school like Lewis & Clark are pretty much the only one in the region, therefore they dominate?
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:48 am
by bees
first, this topic has been discussed far too often, so just do a forum search and you'll get lots of arguments about this
second, I was talking to one of my coworkers a few days ago and she was telling me about her family of lawyers (all had gone to Harvard) and she mentioned how a few of her friends were currently lawyers in big firms in CA and loved it. She thought for a minute about where they'd gone to schools and then said, "maybe Stanford, do they have a law school?"
So it's Yale, Harvard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
and lay prestige doesn't matter
/thread
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:52 am
by Fark-o-vision
Already a pretty extensive thread about this somewhere. If you want to watch a conversation devolve into vitrol and spite, check it out. I maintain that if the criteria are 1) an every day guy on the street, or 2) a chick you're trying to pick up in a bar, then the list turns out significantly different than any ranking and is mostly meaningless (except to discuss while drinking). Also, this list is even more regional than the real list. For instance, in SoCal, HYS probably stay in the same spots. USC gets more love than deserved, and Columbia and NYU (because there is a mystical view of the East) do well. Half the t14 don't even make the top 100.
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:24 am
by PDaddy
HYS, Columbia, NYU, Northwestern, Duke, Penn, Georgetown, Berkeley, Cornell, Vanderbilt, UCLA, USC, Notre Dame, Tulane, BYU, Wake, Boston College, William & Mary
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:40 am
by Fark-o-vision
PDaddy wrote:HYS, Columbia, NYU, Northwestern, Duke, [strike]Penn[/strike], Georgetown, Berkeley, Cornell, [strike]Vanderbilt[/strike], UCLA, USC, Notre Dame, [strike]Tulane[/strike], [strike]BYU[/strike], [strike]Wake[/strike], [strike]Boston[/strike] College, [strike]William & Mary[/strike]
Fixed.
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:49 am
by SandyC877
PDaddy wrote:HYS, Columbia, NYU, [strike]Northwestern[/strike], [strike]Duke[/strike], Penn, [strike]Georgetown[/strike], Berkeley, Cornell, Vanderbilt, UCLA, [strike]USC[/strike], [strike]Notre Dame, Tulane, BYU, Wake, Boston College, William & Mary[/strike]
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:35 am
by SimplyC26
SandyC877 wrote:PDaddy wrote:HYS, Columbia, NYU, [strike]Northwestern[/strike], [strike]Duke[/strike], Penn, [strike]Georgetown[/strike], Berkeley, Cornell, Vanderbilt, UCLA, [strike]USC[/strike], [strike]Notre Dame, Tulane, BYU, Wake, Boston College, William & Mary[/strike]
Are you kidding? Duke has ridiculous lay prestige. It is almost universally recognized as the premier institution in the south.
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:42 am
by badfish
Harvard>Yale/Stanford>Columbia>Georgetown/Cornell/Berkeley/Duke/Northwestern>the rest
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:46 am
by Hattori Hanzo
Princeton
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:47 am
by SimplyC26
badfish wrote:Harvard>Yale/Stanford>Columbia>Georgetown/Cornell/Berkeley/Duke/Northwestern>the rest
On the opposite end of the spectrum, I think Michigan, UVA and the University of Chicago have the least amount of lay prestige of the top 14.
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:43 am
by newyorker88
for a T3 Tulane has some pretty good lay prestige
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:50 am
by pleasetryagain
Fark-o-vision wrote:PDaddy wrote:HYS, Columbia, NYU, Northwestern, Duke, [strike]Penn[/strike], Georgetown, Berkeley, Cornell, [strike]Vanderbilt[/strike], UCLA, USC, Notre Dame, [strike]Tulane[/strike], [strike]BYU[/strike], [strike]Wake[/strike], [strike]Boston[/strike] College, [strike]William & Mary[/strike]
Fixed.
Penn and Vandy definitely have serious lay prestige. Maybe you live in a cave?
Oh and
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... &sk=t&sd=a
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:48 am
by evilxs
Hattori Hanzo wrote:Princeton
TITCR
Seriously, a really lay person will believe that one of the top schools is undoubtedly Princeton, and I have been asked hey did you apply to Princeton?
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:55 am
by rayiner
Harvard and Yale are the only ones that have consistent lay prestige.
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:09 pm
by rockchalk86
This topic has been discussed to death, but what are we really discussing? I think the key word here is LAY. Who cares what some random dude on the street thinks about your school. But to women at a bar, that is a different story. But is this really useful? The only time your school is going to be your leading aphrodisiac is when you are in school. When you are a lawyer, your profession (or firm, or govt position, or save the world cause) will be the major aphrodisiac.
When you are in school, you are going to bars with women who live in the city or town your school is in, so they will know how good your school is. It does not matter how far your LAY prestige reaches because it only has to reach so far.
I think the ratio of men to women talking about LAY prestige is pretty telling as to what we are REALLY talking about.
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:12 pm
by kazu
bees wrote:first, this topic has been discussed far too often, so just do a forum search and you'll get lots of arguments about this
bees wrote:
Yale, Harvard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
and lay prestige doesn't matter
/thread
TITCR
Honestly, besides Yale and Harvard I think the general public has a very vague perception (if anything at all) about the rest.
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:14 pm
by newyorker88
SimplyC26 wrote:badfish wrote:Harvard>Yale/Stanford>Columbia>Georgetown/Cornell/Berkeley/Duke/Northwestern>the rest
On the opposite end of the spectrum, I think Michigan, UVA and the University of Chicago have the least amount of lay prestige of the top 14.
Yea UVA and Michigan have little to no lay prestige
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:21 pm
by Snoopy1216
Tulane is not aT3. It is T1. It's ranked 45...
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:55 pm
by Sangiovese
Lay prestige isn't always meaningless. Take a future career in politics or even an elected legal position (DA, Judge, etc..) The average Joe who evaluates candidates for these positions will assign a value to each of them based entirely on lay prestige.
Judge Candidate #1 went to HLS. Average Joe is going to immediately think, "JC1 must be really smart and probably knows everything there is to know about law."
Judge Candidate #2 went to Chicago. Average Joe thinks to himself, "Chicago? Guess JC2 wasn't smart enough to get into Harvard or Yale or Cornell..."
I think lay prestige is near the bottom of the list of considerations when choosing a school, but I believe it is incorrect to state that it is meaningless.
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:59 pm
by lebob
so in general:
out here in orange country, southern california:
notre dame (catholics), boston, nyu (hipsters/wannabe cool kids glorify this place), byu (mormons) = people have "heard" of these schools, but no prestige assigned
vanderbilt (what is this), northwestern (i recently learned this is in chicago), georgetown (only know because a family friend goes here), wake (still don't know what this is), william and mary (still dont know what this is) = people don't even know these schools exist.
vaguely heard of penn and columbia toward the latter years of high school...and the early years of college. if you're smart here, you go to stanford or berkeley/mit/caltech (or HYP), and if you're average you go to the UCs, and if you played around in school you go to a community college and transfer later. That's about all there's to it, nothing else out here in so cal.
lastly: how many threads already exist with this exact same topic????
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:01 pm
by bloodonthetracks
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:45 pm
by OneSixtySix
I live in Boston and some people cant wrap their head around why I didnt apply to suffolk.
Suffolk has incredible lay prestige in Massachusetts/Rhode Island. I reckon you could find a large amount of people who think " BC/Suffolk/BU/Northeastern" or at least that Suffolk would be a school equivalent to what the law school world considers a T1.
In terms of overall lay prestige, I think big name schools with strong sports programs play out well. Penn State and Kansas sound alot better than other schools in their range.
I'm not from the south, but nobody I met would consider UVA to be on par/above UCLA, USC, Gtown, Cornell, Duke, etc.
Before looking at law schools, I had no idea Northwestern was an elite law school, but that was due to regional limitations more than anything.
Re: Which law schools have the best LAY prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:55 pm
by KMaine
Was actually thinking that the capitalization was meant to distinguish this thread from the other one and that this one was going to be about what school was the best for helping one to get laid. Oh well, I have read this all before.
What degree will have the best "get me laid" prestige?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:25 pm
by qualster
More importantly, what school has more "get me laid" prestige? Ha ha ha ha! I mean, am I right people? Heyo!!! But seriously, folks.