Cuban a significant URM boost?
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:08 pm
Subject.
URM is only African-American, Puerto Rican, Mexican, or Native American.
Non-URM hispanics can write up a good diversity statement - it's a good soft.
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For some reason I missed that, thanks!jl2032 wrote:You should search for "URM" threads. It's been discussed at least a thousand times on here already:
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 14&t=35568
You'll notice on every application, the schools will ask "Are you Hispanic/Latino?" and if yes, they'll ask "Mexican, Puerto Rican, or other?"
Not to try to discredit your assertions here, but this is definitely not true. I don't recall which schools in specific, but I know I have seen applications with:jl2032 wrote:You should search for "URM" threads. It's been discussed at least a thousand times on here already:
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 14&t=35568
You'll notice on every application, the schools will ask "Are you Hispanic/Latino?" and if yes, they'll ask "Mexican, Puerto Rican, or other?"
Edited to note that I'm also a non-URM hispanic who applied this cycle and I've come to terms with this.
Thanks for resurrecting this dead and useless thread.chimp wrote:No.
No problem. I do not believe it played any factor whatsoever in my cycle other than getting me on the Michigan waitlist when I probably would have been rejected otherwise.CMDantes wrote:Thanks for resurrecting this dead and useless thread.chimp wrote:No.
EDIT: To say that it did play a factor in my cycle.
True enough.chimp wrote:
Seeing as how I just created an account yesterday, how could it hurt to give future Cuban applicants a little info?
Future Cuban applicants, if you have decent numbers and Michigan gives you a fee waiver, APPLY!
+1CMDantes wrote:True enough.chimp wrote:
Seeing as how I just created an account yesterday, how could it hurt to give future Cuban applicants a little info?
Future Cuban applicants, if you have decent numbers and Michigan gives you a fee waiver, APPLY!
More advice for fellow Cubans, I suggest writing a diversity statement or incorporating your different-ness in your application somehow. I think that's what made a difference in my cycle.
Edit: Oh, and if you get into a good school, look up the SEO Corporate Law program.
Meh, blanket statements are a little disingenuous. It varies by school. If a school only cares about diversity on paper, they'll take any Hispanic to say that they have x%. If they actually care different story.jl2032 wrote:URM is only African-American, Puerto Rican, Mexican, or Native American.
Non-URM hispanics can write up a good diversity statement - it's a good soft.
Dude what are you trying to prove here? There are plenty of MX/PR Latinos who grew up privileged who probably receive the URM "boost" and plenty of Cubans who have had to work for every damn thing and do not come from privileged backgrounds who may receive a slight "boost" but nothing compared to the URM groups. Just because Cubans tend to be relatively well off as a whole does not mean you should be making hasty generalizations about OP or any other Cuban for that matter. Get a life.Seoulless wrote:CMDantes wrote:Subject.
Yeah - way to milk it buddy. Cubans are the most successful Latin American people in the United States. They are overrepresented in academia (and other fields) relative to their population.
You must have worked very hard to be Cuban. You deserve the boost though!
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US Census Bureau. Facts about Cuban Americans
Organizacion Autentica US Census Bureau. Facts about Cuban American:
Cuban Americans have acquired an enormous amount of wealth and prosperity in an extremely short period of time; no other immigrant group has achieved this as quickly as the Cubans. Many immigrants have never achieved it at all, despite being in this country far longer than Cubans.
Second-generation Cuban-Americans were more educated than even Anglo-Americans. More than 26.1% of second-generation Cuban-Americans had a bachelor’s degree or better versus 20.6% of Anglos. Thus Cuban-Americans in 1997 were approximately 25% more likely to have a college degree than Anglos.
Other Hispanic groups lag far behind. Only 18.1% of South Americans had a bachelor’s or better. Puerto Ricans, despite being U.S. citizens by birth, recorded a disappointing 11%; Mexicans only 7%.
In 1997, 55.1% of second-generation Cuban-Americans had an income greater than $30,000 versus 44.1% of Anglo- Americans. Thus Cuban-Americans are approximately 20% more likely to earn more than $30,000 than their Anglo-American counterparts. All other Hispanic groups lag far behind in average income.
In 1997, 36.9% of second-generation Cuban-Americans had an income greater than $50,000 versus 18.1% of Anglo- Americans. Cuban-Americans were twice as likely to earn more than $50,000. Also, approximately 11% of Cuban-Americans had incomes greater than $100,000 versus 9% of Anglo-Americans, and less than 2% of other Hispanics.
Cubans comprise less than 4% of the U.S. Hispanic population, Mexicans 65%, Puerto Ricans 10%, Central and South Americans 11%, and “others” 10%. Yet of the top 100 richest Hispanics in the U.S., more than 50% are of Cuban descent (ten times what it should be on a population basis), and 38% of Mexican descent. The rest is scattered among all other Hispanic groups.
Source: U.S. Census Bureau
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LOL you clearly misread my post. I said that you cannot make a generalization about OP based on your info. The info you cited is probably why Cubans historically DON'T receive a URM boost, but that doesn't mean a Cuban can't write a killer diversity statement about what he/she would bring to an incoming law school class (which is clearly what OP did) to try and improve their chances at admission.Seoulless wrote:chimp wrote: Dude what are you trying to prove here? There are plenty of MX/PR Latinos who grew up privileged who probably receive the URM "boost" and plenty of Cubans who have had to work for every damn thing and do not come from privileged backgrounds who may receive a slight "boost" but nothing compared to the URM groups. Just because Cubans tend to be relatively well off as a whole does not mean you should be making hasty generalizations about OP or any other Cuban for that matter. Get a life.
Yeah you're right - I'm the one checking off my race to get a boost in admissions. I need a life.
And do you realize how your logic above only reinforces my point? Using your logic, then white people should get a boost because after all, there are white people who don't come from privileged backgrounds.
That kind of logic just reinforces the notion that those who have to check off their race aren't otherwise qualified. I mean come on, this kind of reasoning is the crap they test for on the LSATs.
If you feel you bring something different to the table and want to discuss it in your app then I am all for it (which is what I did). Your assertion that OP was "milking it" is clearly misguided so that's why I felt the need to comment. Cubans are not helped AS A WHOLE by the law school admissions process. Certain Cubans may receive some sort of boost just as certain white, asian, or middle eastern people with interesting backgrounds may receive a slight boost (honestly really depends on the school). I came here to try to give some useful info to future Cuban applicants, not to argue with you. Have a nice weekend. I'm out.Seoulless wrote:Your reply was considered in conjunction with this:chimp wrote:
LOL you clearly misread my post. I said that you cannot make a generalization about OP based on your info. The info you cited is probably why Cubans historically DON'T receive a URM boost, but that doesn't mean a Cuban can't write a killer diversity statement about what he/she would bring to an incoming law school class (which is clearly what OP did) to try and improve their chances at admission.
chimp wrote:
No problem. I do not believe it played any factor whatsoever in my cycle other than getting me on the Michigan waitlist when I probably would have been rejected otherwise.
Seeing as how I just created an account yesterday, how could it hurt to give future Cuban applicants a little info?
Future Cuban applicants, if you have decent numbers and Michigan gives you a fee waiver, APPLY!
So in other words, you support taking advantage of a system designed to help those who are underrepresented in order to help those who are overrepresented.
Your logic for doing so as it could only possibly be relevant to my post is that its possible that the individual himself is not privileged. After all, I made no reference to individual status, only group status which is what matters here.
Ethnicity is a little silly to be honest. I am Cuban, and middle class, but at my (very Cuban) high school, there were plenty of working class and poor Cubans who deserved a boost in admissions. Likewise, I've known wealthy Mexicans and Puerto Ricans. I really think more schools should be like Berkeley, taking CLASS into account moreso than RACE.Seoulless wrote:chimp wrote: Dude what are you trying to prove here? There are plenty of MX/PR Latinos who grew up privileged who probably receive the URM "boost" and plenty of Cubans who have had to work for every damn thing and do not come from privileged backgrounds who may receive a slight "boost" but nothing compared to the URM groups. Just because Cubans tend to be relatively well off as a whole does not mean you should be making hasty generalizations about OP or any other Cuban for that matter. Get a life.
Yeah you're right - I'm the one checking off my race to get a boost in admissions. I need a life.
And do you realize how your logic above only reinforces my point? Using your logic, then white people should get a boost because after all, while white people are "privileged," there are
white people who don't come from privileged backgrounds.
As an advocate of box checking your logic is that even if a person is from a disproportionately privileged people but not individually privileged, he should be able to check off his ethnicity to get a boost even though the issue isn't ethnicity