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Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:25 pm
by Anonymous User
Basically since the first time I visited the state capitol in fourth grade I've aspired to work for the U.S. with aspirations of becoming a senator. 57 of the 100 senators today have law degrees. I am thinking about writing my P.S. about my dream of becoming a senator and how in order to achieve this, law school is the next step.

Bad idea? Good idea?

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:31 pm
by R. Jeeves
The problem with this is that there is a slight (but not insignificant) chance that you won't end up becoming a senator. If you don't end up getting callback from the Senate at OCI, what would you do with your law degree? Law schools will want to see that you are willing to be an attorney.

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:34 pm
by bearsfan23
I see no problems with this plan

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:39 pm
by Anonymous User
Would it be inappropriate to name a particular previous senator that I had a conversation with that helped guide me towards this direction?

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:47 pm
by Hand
bearsfan23 wrote:I see no problems with this plan
& plz share your PS outlining your strategy

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:48 pm
by HRomanus
A lot of problems with the framing of the narrative:
1. You didn't know what the hell a senator was in fourth grade, so you didn't have the ability to (rationally) want to be one.
2. "Since (x) grade, I've always wanted to be..." should never be in a personal statement.
3. So a majority of senators (57) are attorneys, but 46,000 people graduated from law school just last year. So if every senate position were available to only those graduates, you'd have a 0.2% chance of becoming a senator. And you want to go to law school to be a senator. Moreover, the senators that are lawyers are successful attorneys in their own right (or have rich parents?) so wanting to be a senator isn't enough.
4. A personal statement doesn't have to be about "Why Law."


That being said you could use your passion and enthusiasm to write about how law school will equip you to work as a congressional counsel or other legislation-related position. The downside is that those are incredibly difficult to get and adcomms know that. Or you could use your passion and enthusiasm to write about how a belief in the legislative system transitions into interest in law. Either of those are difficult however because ultimately you don't know what the law is.

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:07 pm
by thegirlwhowaited
Best way to become a senator?
have a dad who is one

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:14 pm
by Carter1901
BigSENATE or bust.

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:17 pm
by thegirlwhowaited
Carter1901 wrote:BigSENATE or bust.
so sad that I got that joke
fml

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:18 pm
by arklaw13
Do the world a favor and never hold political office.

Do yourself a favor and don't go to law school.

But if you do, don't use this as your PS.

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:20 pm
by thegirlwhowaited
arklaw13 wrote:Do the world a favor and never hold political office.

Do yourself a favor and don't go to law school.

But if you do, don't use this as your PS.
you don't need a jd to be a lawyer
but I lulz at the ones who try to brag of a masters degree........stupid idiots are so stupid

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:20 pm
by Anonymous User
HRomanus wrote:A lot of problems with the framing of the narrative:
1. You didn't know what the hell a senator was in fourth grade, so you didn't have the ability to (rationally) want to be one.
2. "Since (x) grade, I've always wanted to be..." should never be in a personal statement.
3. So a majority of senators (57) are attorneys, but 46,000 people graduated from law school just last year. So if every senate position were available to only those graduates, you'd have a 0.2% chance of becoming a senator. And you want to go to law school to be a senator. Moreover, the senators that are lawyers are successful attorneys in their own right (or have rich parents?) so wanting to be a senator isn't enough.
4. A personal statement doesn't have to be about "Why Law."


That being said you could use your passion and enthusiasm to write about how law school will equip you to work as a congressional counsel or other legislation-related position. The downside is that those are incredibly difficult to get and adcomms know that. Or you could use your passion and enthusiasm to write about how a belief in the legislative system transitions into interest in law. Either of those are difficult however because ultimately you don't know what the law is.

So it would be wise to be more broad? Less about becoming a senator.. more about how I want to use my law degree to work for the government in general?

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:21 pm
by Anonymous User
arklaw13 wrote:Do the world a favor and never hold political office.

Do yourself a favor and don't go to law school.

But if you do, don't use this as your PS.

Why so negative?

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:22 pm
by thegirlwhowaited
Anonymous User wrote:
HRomanus wrote:A lot of problems with the framing of the narrative:
1. You didn't know what the hell a senator was in fourth grade, so you didn't have the ability to (rationally) want to be one.
2. "Since (x) grade, I've always wanted to be..." should never be in a personal statement.
3. So a majority of senators (57) are attorneys, but 46,000 people graduated from law school just last year. So if every senate position were available to only those graduates, you'd have a 0.2% chance of becoming a senator. And you want to go to law school to be a senator. Moreover, the senators that are lawyers are successful attorneys in their own right (or have rich parents?) so wanting to be a senator isn't enough.
4. A personal statement doesn't have to be about "Why Law."


That being said you could use your passion and enthusiasm to write about how law school will equip you to work as a congressional counsel or other legislation-related position. The downside is that those are incredibly difficult to get and adcomms know that. Or you could use your passion and enthusiasm to write about how a belief in the legislative system transitions into interest in law. Either of those are difficult however because ultimately you don't know what the law is.

So it would be wise to be more broad? Less about becoming a senator.. more about how I want to use my law degree to work for the government in general?
most spooks have a JD fyi

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:23 pm
by Anonymous User
thegirlwhowaited wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
HRomanus wrote:A lot of problems with the framing of the narrative:
1. You didn't know what the hell a senator was in fourth grade, so you didn't have the ability to (rationally) want to be one.
2. "Since (x) grade, I've always wanted to be..." should never be in a personal statement.
3. So a majority of senators (57) are attorneys, but 46,000 people graduated from law school just last year. So if every senate position were available to only those graduates, you'd have a 0.2% chance of becoming a senator. And you want to go to law school to be a senator. Moreover, the senators that are lawyers are successful attorneys in their own right (or have rich parents?) so wanting to be a senator isn't enough.
4. A personal statement doesn't have to be about "Why Law."


That being said you could use your passion and enthusiasm to write about how law school will equip you to work as a congressional counsel or other legislation-related position. The downside is that those are incredibly difficult to get and adcomms know that. Or you could use your passion and enthusiasm to write about how a belief in the legislative system transitions into interest in law. Either of those are difficult however because ultimately you don't know what the law is.

So it would be wise to be more broad? Less about becoming a senator.. more about how I want to use my law degree to work for the government in general?
most spooks have a JD fyi

spooks?

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:24 pm
by arklaw13
Anonymous User wrote:
arklaw13 wrote:Do the world a favor and never hold political office.

Do yourself a favor and don't go to law school.

But if you do, don't use this as your PS.

Why so negative?
If you think it's a good idea to go to law school so that you can become a senator, then you're too dumb to hold political office. Unless your Dad is a senator or your last name is Bush. Then go ahead.

I hope this is a flame.

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:25 pm
by thegirlwhowaited
Anonymous User wrote:
thegirlwhowaited wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
HRomanus wrote:A lot of problems with the framing of the narrative:
1. You didn't know what the hell a senator was in fourth grade, so you didn't have the ability to (rationally) want to be one.
2. "Since (x) grade, I've always wanted to be..." should never be in a personal statement.
3. So a majority of senators (57) are attorneys, but 46,000 people graduated from law school just last year. So if every senate position were available to only those graduates, you'd have a 0.2% chance of becoming a senator. And you want to go to law school to be a senator. Moreover, the senators that are lawyers are successful attorneys in their own right (or have rich parents?) so wanting to be a senator isn't enough.
4. A personal statement doesn't have to be about "Why Law."


That being said you could use your passion and enthusiasm to write about how law school will equip you to work as a congressional counsel or other legislation-related position. The downside is that those are incredibly difficult to get and adcomms know that. Or you could use your passion and enthusiasm to write about how a belief in the legislative system transitions into interest in law. Either of those are difficult however because ultimately you don't know what the law is.

So it would be wise to be more broad? Less about becoming a senator.. more about how I want to use my law degree to work for the government in general?
most spooks have a JD fyi

spooks?
..... :roll:

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:25 pm
by arklaw13
Anonymous User wrote:
thegirlwhowaited wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:

So it would be wise to be more broad? Less about becoming a senator.. more about how I want to use my law degree to work for the government in general?
most spooks have a JD fyi

spooks?
It either means intelligence officers/spies or black people, depending on how racist you are.

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:27 pm
by thegirlwhowaited
arklaw13 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
thegirlwhowaited wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:

So it would be wise to be more broad? Less about becoming a senator.. more about how I want to use my law degree to work for the government in general?
most spooks have a JD fyi

spooks?
It either means intelligence officers/spies or black people, depending on how racist you are.
most black people have a JD?
your def of racist is odd

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:31 pm
by HRomanus
Anonymous User wrote:
HRomanus wrote:A lot of problems with the framing of the narrative:
1. You didn't know what the hell a senator was in fourth grade, so you didn't have the ability to (rationally) want to be one.
2. "Since (x) grade, I've always wanted to be..." should never be in a personal statement.
3. So a majority of senators (57) are attorneys, but 46,000 people graduated from law school just last year. So if every senate position were available to only those graduates, you'd have a 0.2% chance of becoming a senator. And you want to go to law school to be a senator. Moreover, the senators that are lawyers are successful attorneys in their own right (or have rich parents?) so wanting to be a senator isn't enough.
4. A personal statement doesn't have to be about "Why Law."


That being said you could use your passion and enthusiasm to write about how law school will equip you to work as a congressional counsel or other legislation-related position. The downside is that those are incredibly difficult to get and adcomms know that. Or you could use your passion and enthusiasm to write about how a belief in the legislative system transitions into interest in law. Either of those are difficult however because ultimately you don't know what the law is.

So it would be wise to be more broad? Less about becoming a senator.. more about how I want to use my law degree to work for the government in general?
Yes. You will not become a senator. Writing about doing anything, particularly something that requires $200k in debt and three years of education, to become a senator is going to dimish your credibility as a rational person. As I said, if the 100 senator positions were available only to last year's graduates, you'd have a 0.2% chance of becoming a senator. Never mention your desire to be a senator in the context of getting a JD again. Go and sin no more, my child.

Obviously you're interested in the legislative process in some degree, so write about that...but not really. IF you're going to write a "Why Law" statement you need to be very deft in your understanding that legislative counsel positions are incredibly rare and fluid. In fact, all legal jobs on Capitol Hill are very hard to get without prior legislative experience. There's a very high chance you'll never use your law degree in connection with the legislative process, and there's almost a near certainty that you won't be drafting or lobbying for legislation. You can't write a personal statement that ends on a note adcoms know will never happen.

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:32 pm
by thegirlwhowaited
HRomanus wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
HRomanus wrote:A lot of problems with the framing of the narrative:
1. You didn't know what the hell a senator was in fourth grade, so you didn't have the ability to (rationally) want to be one.
2. "Since (x) grade, I've always wanted to be..." should never be in a personal statement.
3. So a majority of senators (57) are attorneys, but 46,000 people graduated from law school just last year. So if every senate position were available to only those graduates, you'd have a 0.2% chance of becoming a senator. And you want to go to law school to be a senator. Moreover, the senators that are lawyers are successful attorneys in their own right (or have rich parents?) so wanting to be a senator isn't enough.
4. A personal statement doesn't have to be about "Why Law."


That being said you could use your passion and enthusiasm to write about how law school will equip you to work as a congressional counsel or other legislation-related position. The downside is that those are incredibly difficult to get and adcomms know that. Or you could use your passion and enthusiasm to write about how a belief in the legislative system transitions into interest in law. Either of those are difficult however because ultimately you don't know what the law is.

So it would be wise to be more broad? Less about becoming a senator.. more about how I want to use my law degree to work for the government in general?
Yes. You will not become a senator. Writing about doing anything, particularly something that requires $200k in debt and three years of education, to become a senator is going to dimish your credibility as a rational person. As I said, if the 100 senator positions were available only to last year's graduates, you'd have a 0.2% chance of becoming a senator. Never mention your desire to be a senator in the context of getting a JD again. Go and sin no more, my child.

Obviously you're interested in the legislative process in some degree, so write about that...but not really. IF you're going to write a "Why Law" statement you need to be very deft in your understanding that legislative counsel positions are incredibly rare and fluid. In fact, all legal jobs on Capitol Hill are very hard to get without prior legislative experience. There's a very high chance you'll never use your law degree in connection with the legislative process, and there's almost a near certainty that you won't be drafting or lobbying for legislation. You can't write a personal statement that ends on a note adcoms know will never happen.
it will cost him nothing if he is black in the right town

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:35 pm
by Anonymous User
HRomanus wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
HRomanus wrote:A lot of problems with the framing of the narrative:
1. You didn't know what the hell a senator was in fourth grade, so you didn't have the ability to (rationally) want to be one.
2. "Since (x) grade, I've always wanted to be..." should never be in a personal statement.
3. So a majority of senators (57) are attorneys, but 46,000 people graduated from law school just last year. So if every senate position were available to only those graduates, you'd have a 0.2% chance of becoming a senator. And you want to go to law school to be a senator. Moreover, the senators that are lawyers are successful attorneys in their own right (or have rich parents?) so wanting to be a senator isn't enough.
4. A personal statement doesn't have to be about "Why Law."


That being said you could use your passion and enthusiasm to write about how law school will equip you to work as a congressional counsel or other legislation-related position. The downside is that those are incredibly difficult to get and adcomms know that. Or you could use your passion and enthusiasm to write about how a belief in the legislative system transitions into interest in law. Either of those are difficult however because ultimately you don't know what the law is.

So it would be wise to be more broad? Less about becoming a senator.. more about how I want to use my law degree to work for the government in general?
Yes. You will not become a senator. Writing about doing anything, particularly something that requires $200k in debt and three years of education, to become a senator is going to dimish your credibility as a rational person. As I said, if the 100 senator positions were available only to last year's graduates, you'd have a 0.2% chance of becoming a senator. Never mention your desire to be a senator in the context of getting a JD again. Go and sin no more, my child.

Obviously you're interested in the legislative process in some degree, so write about that...but not really. IF you're going to write a "Why Law" statement you need to be very deft in your understanding that legislative counsel positions are incredibly rare and fluid. In fact, all legal jobs on Capitol Hill are very hard to get without prior legislative experience. There's a very high chance you'll never use your law degree in connection with the legislative process, and there's almost a near certainty that you won't be drafting or lobbying for legislation. You can't write a personal statement that ends on a note adcoms know will never happen.

good to know.. was hoping it would show that I am ambitious. apparently will make it seem like I'm an idiot then. Time to get back to the drawing board and come up with a new idea..

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:36 pm
by Anonymous User
Not black, and still don't understand what spooks means.

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:37 pm
by arklaw13
Anonymous User wrote:Not black, and still don't understand what spooks means.
arklaw13 wrote:
It either means intelligence officers/spies or black people, depending on how racist you are.

Re: Becoming a Senator

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:39 pm
by guinness1547
Anonymous User wrote:Not black, and still don't understand what spooks means.