ಠ_ಠRobMD wrote:In light of the Norway shootings (along with other past shootings) you may not want to use this topic in your PS.
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@ RobMD: um, really? really dude?
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Haven't we moved past this particular reference?ihhwap1 wrote:RobMD, I'm going to be honest, that may very well be the one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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Your expectations for the Internet are clearly overly optimistic.bilbobaggins wrote:Haven't we moved past this particular reference?ihhwap1 wrote:RobMD, I'm going to be honest, that may very well be the one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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I think it would be a very risky strategy. It certainly could turn off some adcomms, even if well done. Yes, it will stand out from many of the PSs they read, but it could very well be in a not-so positive light. The particular college might impact your decision though.
Reading RobMD's posted interview (regardless of the advice he offered based on it), I chuckled when the comparison was made that being a Guild leader was comparable to running a 7 man enterprise. It seemed a ludicrous comparison. I'm picturing a PS trying to make that case, adding beautiful narrative detail of course. Then reading a PS from someone who actually started and ran their own start-up IT company in a Stanford application, dealing with the in-outs of patent law, etc. Similarly would be saying your leadership skills developed through WoW are comparable to some of the leadership experiences others will put forward to gain acceptance at top schools. I'm picturing a Yale application preceded by someone describing their experience leading a movement to address FGM in northern Uganda. If leadership isn't your selling point, let it go and write about your intellectual achievements or a particular interest/passion. That may not mean total abandonment of a creative WoW essay (yet probably does), but it would def strongly recommend against it as your strongest example of leadership upon which you thus argue to be admitted to law school.
I think you are selling yourself short if you write this essay and probably not putting your best self forward. I'm not saying your WoW didn't demonstrate solid leadership. I have no idea. I am saying that you should reasonably keep a perspective of what you may be up against if you go down the, "I'm a proven leader road" with an essay on WoW. Most of the top schools explicitly state in their interviews that they are looking for someone who is not just accomplished, but self-reflecting.
Then again, you might get really lucky and run into an adcomm whose a big fan of WoW. Their experience may incline them toward your essay and its creativity, but even they may be skeptical. With so much on the line, I would go in a less risky direction. Sure you could send it to a crazy reach school. Focus your time on your other PS though and work on this if you have some spare time later.
Reading RobMD's posted interview (regardless of the advice he offered based on it), I chuckled when the comparison was made that being a Guild leader was comparable to running a 7 man enterprise. It seemed a ludicrous comparison. I'm picturing a PS trying to make that case, adding beautiful narrative detail of course. Then reading a PS from someone who actually started and ran their own start-up IT company in a Stanford application, dealing with the in-outs of patent law, etc. Similarly would be saying your leadership skills developed through WoW are comparable to some of the leadership experiences others will put forward to gain acceptance at top schools. I'm picturing a Yale application preceded by someone describing their experience leading a movement to address FGM in northern Uganda. If leadership isn't your selling point, let it go and write about your intellectual achievements or a particular interest/passion. That may not mean total abandonment of a creative WoW essay (yet probably does), but it would def strongly recommend against it as your strongest example of leadership upon which you thus argue to be admitted to law school.
I think you are selling yourself short if you write this essay and probably not putting your best self forward. I'm not saying your WoW didn't demonstrate solid leadership. I have no idea. I am saying that you should reasonably keep a perspective of what you may be up against if you go down the, "I'm a proven leader road" with an essay on WoW. Most of the top schools explicitly state in their interviews that they are looking for someone who is not just accomplished, but self-reflecting.
Then again, you might get really lucky and run into an adcomm whose a big fan of WoW. Their experience may incline them toward your essay and its creativity, but even they may be skeptical. With so much on the line, I would go in a less risky direction. Sure you could send it to a crazy reach school. Focus your time on your other PS though and work on this if you have some spare time later.
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I don't quite understand why everyone keeps saying this. Well, I do, but I don't really agree. Why would you risk ruining your already-small chance to get into your reach by using a personal statement likely to be viewed negatively? If you use it at all (which seems like a bad idea to me), I would use it for one of your safety schools, where you would be admitted no matter what your essay looked like.MumofCad wrote:Sure you could send it to a crazy reach school.
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Operative word is "crazy." You would never send an essay like this to a target/safety school, it might land you on the waitlist or out of money. Sending it to a school where you are already presumably auto-reject and then getting auto-rejected - no harm done. The point would be moving yourself miraculously out of auto-reject because of the originality of your approach to the process. I find it unlikely in this case, but that's the general idea with creative reach PSs.Gecko of Doom wrote:I don't quite understand why everyone keeps saying this. Well, I do, but I don't really agree. Why would you risk ruining your already-small chance to get into your reach by using a personal statement likely to be viewed negatively? If you use it at all (which seems like a bad idea to me), I would use it for one of your safety schools, where you would be admitted no matter what your essay looked like.MumofCad wrote:Sure you could send it to a crazy reach school.
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I guess if you had no better use for your money than to drop it on auto-reject app fees...
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I know several people who have "auto-reject" numbers in the T5 that got in over the last few years. They were not URM. Through some combination of softs or stellar PSs, they overcame the numbers game. I highly doubt they would consider their application fee as simply squandering money. Probably the best $75 they'll ever spend. Someone every year will get in - if you want it badly enough, might as well be you, right?Gecko of Doom wrote:I guess if you had no better use for your money than to drop it on auto-reject app fees...
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I agree that it can be worth it in certain circumstances. I made the assumption that if OP is thinking about writing a PS about being a Warcraft guild leader, he doesn't have the kind of softs to get him admitted with auto-reject numbers, or he would be writing about those. Admittedly, I could be wrong.MumofCad wrote:I know several people who have "auto-reject" numbers in the T5 that got in over the last few years. They were not URM. Through some combination of softs or stellar PSs, they overcame the numbers game. I highly doubt they would consider their application fee as simply squandering money. Probably the best $75 they'll ever spend. Someone every year will get in - if you want it badly enough, might as well be you, right?Gecko of Doom wrote:I guess if you had no better use for your money than to drop it on auto-reject app fees...
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Despite the fact that I am a TLS newbie, I think that if you tie it into a slightly more real-life type leadership situation, you have the backbone of an interesting PS. It could be refreshing, but going too far could come across as not taking the law school app process seriously.wolfpack37 wrote:My basic question is, do you think it would be a good idea to use this as a backbone for a PS? Conversely, would it be better to just incorporate it in some way? Or will it just be completely over adcomm's heads/dismissed as ludicrous/irrelevant?
If this ever turns into a PS, I'd love to read it.
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LOL try playing WoW in its prime when raids were 40 people.wolfpack37 wrote:Soooo ... I mean I don't know how many of you have ever played this game or will have any idea what I'm talking about ..
Anyways, I think that my best example of leadership capacity is that I ran a (relatively) successful WoW guild a few years back. For people who have never played the game, the best guilds had ~30-50 active members, and raids required 25 members. So basically there were a lot of egos and drama etc. It's pretty difficult to coordinate a minimum of 25 people 3+ times a week for 4+ hours, as well as prepare for/understand the different encounters (bosses) from multiple points of view (each of 9 classes has a different job, as guild leader I had to understand all of them). I honestly believe that it was one of the most difficult and character-building experiences that I've had (certainly more so than a part time job or college class), and it required intelligence, time, commitment, good mediation skills, etc.
My basic question is, do you think it would be a good idea to use this as a backbone for a PS? Conversely, would it be better to just incorporate it in some way? Or will it just be completely over adcomm's heads/dismissed as ludicrous/irrelevant?
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This is the moment where video game nerd meets hipster.Rocketman11 wrote:LOL try playing WoW in its prime when raids were 40 people.wolfpack37 wrote:Soooo ... I mean I don't know how many of you have ever played this game or will have any idea what I'm talking about ..
Anyways, I think that my best example of leadership capacity is that I ran a (relatively) successful WoW guild a few years back. For people who have never played the game, the best guilds had ~30-50 active members, and raids required 25 members. So basically there were a lot of egos and drama etc. It's pretty difficult to coordinate a minimum of 25 people 3+ times a week for 4+ hours, as well as prepare for/understand the different encounters (bosses) from multiple points of view (each of 9 classes has a different job, as guild leader I had to understand all of them). I honestly believe that it was one of the most difficult and character-building experiences that I've had (certainly more so than a part time job or college class), and it required intelligence, time, commitment, good mediation skills, etc.
My basic question is, do you think it would be a good idea to use this as a backbone for a PS? Conversely, would it be better to just incorporate it in some way? Or will it just be completely over adcomm's heads/dismissed as ludicrous/irrelevant?
Thanks!
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Why don't you rejoin and prove it, pussy?Rocketman11 wrote:LOL try playing WoW in its prime when raids were 40 people.
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I sold my account for $500 to some dude in Australia. It was worth 200-300 more than that, but eBay kept pulling down my auction. No desire to start at level 1 ughhhh grindgrindgrindbjsesq wrote:Why don't you rejoin and prove it, pussy?Rocketman11 wrote:LOL try playing WoW in its prime when raids were 40 people.
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RAF will get you to 80 in <30 hrs of gameplay. Ya pussy.Rocketman11 wrote:I sold my account for $500 to some dude in Australia. It was worth 200-300 more than that, but eBay kept pulling down my auction. No desire to start at level 1 ughhhh grindgrindgrindbjsesq wrote:Why don't you rejoin and prove it, pussy?Rocketman11 wrote:LOL try playing WoW in its prime when raids were 40 people.
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I'm maxed out on world of warcraft and it took 7 years to do so, and along the way I built up dedication and teamwork whilst wasting my summers when others were out building their resumes with jobs and such.
Should I apply to YHS or just T14
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Should I apply to YHS or just T14
I'm embarassed to say this question need even be posed. get out
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YHS or bustBosoxfan wrote:I'm maxed out on world of warcraft and it took 7 years to do so, and along the way I built up dedication and teamwork whilst wasting my summers when others were out building their resumes with jobs and such.
Should I apply to YHS or just T14
I'm embarassed to say this question need even be posed. get out
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+1bilbobaggins wrote:This is the moment where video game nerd meets hipster.Rocketman11 wrote:LOL try playing WoW in its prime when raids were 40 people.wolfpack37 wrote:Soooo ... I mean I don't know how many of you have ever played this game or will have any idea what I'm talking about ..
Anyways, I think that my best example of leadership capacity is that I ran a (relatively) successful WoW guild a few years back. For people who have never played the game, the best guilds had ~30-50 active members, and raids required 25 members. So basically there were a lot of egos and drama etc. It's pretty difficult to coordinate a minimum of 25 people 3+ times a week for 4+ hours, as well as prepare for/understand the different encounters (bosses) from multiple points of view (each of 9 classes has a different job, as guild leader I had to understand all of them). I honestly believe that it was one of the most difficult and character-building experiences that I've had (certainly more so than a part time job or college class), and it required intelligence, time, commitment, good mediation skills, etc.
My basic question is, do you think it would be a good idea to use this as a backbone for a PS? Conversely, would it be better to just incorporate it in some way? Or will it just be completely over adcomm's heads/dismissed as ludicrous/irrelevant?
Thanks!
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Turd Ferguson; its a funny name.ihhwap1 wrote:RobMD, I'm going to be honest, that may very well be the one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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Today was the first time I ventured into the PS forum and years and I'm so glad I did.
When I read your posts, my immediate thought was "Yeah, well maybe your GPA might have been better if you weren't playing video games so much." As an ex-girlfriend of a former WoW player, I'm betting that isn't an unrealistic thought. Don't do it because it is such a risky topic. I'm well aware of the game and understand the difficulty in being a guild leader, and have even tried it on occasion but if I were an adcomm and read a PS on WoW, I would laugh. Then I'd probably wonder why the applicant couldn't think of anything more compelling to write about.
When I read your posts, my immediate thought was "Yeah, well maybe your GPA might have been better if you weren't playing video games so much." As an ex-girlfriend of a former WoW player, I'm betting that isn't an unrealistic thought. Don't do it because it is such a risky topic. I'm well aware of the game and understand the difficulty in being a guild leader, and have even tried it on occasion but if I were an adcomm and read a PS on WoW, I would laugh. Then I'd probably wonder why the applicant couldn't think of anything more compelling to write about.
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I don't get the amount of attention this thread has gotten, other than the obvious need for some of you guys to share your passion for or against this time-waste with each other.
Writing this essay is not a rational choice, no matter how well it's written. Would the adcomms like a break from "overcoming adversity" essays? I don't know, but it doesn't seem to matter, because everyone writes them and mostly everyone's cycles go just as their numbers would suggest. The rational decision is to write a conventional, but well written essay and take your chances with your numbers--not with your hobby.
Writing this essay is not a rational choice, no matter how well it's written. Would the adcomms like a break from "overcoming adversity" essays? I don't know, but it doesn't seem to matter, because everyone writes them and mostly everyone's cycles go just as their numbers would suggest. The rational decision is to write a conventional, but well written essay and take your chances with your numbers--not with your hobby.
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Why has this thread continued past no?
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Well this damn thread had been dead for three days, but you just necro'd it.canes wrote:I don't get the amount of attention this thread has gotten, other than the obvious need for some of you guys to share your passion for or against this time-waste with each other.
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