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Particularly AA URMs

URMdan wrote:Particularly AA URMs

not at all. just check the box

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glitter178 wrote:

URMdan wrote:Particularly AA URMs

not at all. just check the box

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femme wrote:

glitter178 wrote:

URMdan wrote:Particularly AA URMs

not at all. just check the box

180

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URMDAN, glitter was making a joke. At least I hope so.

Law Schools seem to be more willing to look past the just the numbers with URMs, which suggests that Personal Statements can carry more weight than for other applicants. I'm curious, though, what prompted this question? If the answer was -- "no they don't matter at all" --would you just transcribe a Taco Bell reciept and put it into .doc form? You should take time on your PS. Especially if your numbers are lacking.

Because I have an appetite for curiosity.

URMdan wrote:Because I have an appetite for curiosity.

Well if you want the answer to the question you originally asked - It matters enough.

URMdan wrote:Because I have an appetite for curiosity.

Well I hope you're also hungry for knowledge. The link I previously posted answers your question and if you have done any research on the application process, I'm sure you'll see that a personal statement is a crucial component to your application package.

I only ask because I've read that the PS doesn't matter for URMs

That is utterly false.

aesis wrote:That is utterly false.

+1

URMdan wrote:I only ask because I've read that the PS doesn't matter for URMs

What is your source?

URMdan wrote:I only ask because I've read that the PS doesn't matter for URMs

dude, stop worrying about how much your URM status will put you forward. just put in your best application possible and be done with it

i like how you've posted this in two forums and got responses on both of them. you should go for the hattrick. head on over to lawschool admissions forum, copy, paste, click.

ShuckingNotJiving wrote:URMDAN, glitter was making a joke. At least I hope so.

Law Schools seem to be more willing to look past the just the numbers with URMs, which suggests that Personal Statements can carry more weight than for other applicants. I'm curious, though, what prompted this question? If the answer was -- "no they don't matter at all" --would you just transcribe a Taco Bell reciept and put it into .doc form? You should take time on your PS. Especially if your numbers are lacking.

yes, i'm kidding. PS is the most important qualitative factor in your app--- and since you are an URM and stand out more, why not use that visability to your advantage and make a great personal statement?

glitter178 wrote:

URMdan wrote:Particularly AA URMs

not at all. just check the box

Oh my god you're hilarious.

The answer is that it matters a ton. It is more important for URM's because schools basically have have a quota (they say they don't but they do) for URM's and they generally assume that these candidates will be below their numbers. People incorrectly lament URM's for "taking their spots" but really they don't compete directly with them. Anyway that is beside the point.

Say a school has a median LSAT of 160, a median GPA of 3.5, and they want to take 40 URM's this cycle. They will likely offer big schollys to any URM that is above one of their medians, but basically if its a large school they will get about 200 URM aps for those remaining 30 spots (say 10 URM's are above numbers and accept the scholly). All of those aps will be below both their medians. At this point, after they weed out the ones that have numbers so low that they worry the applicant would fail out or embarrass their school, they pick which applicant they like the most. It makes no difference whether the applicant has has a 159, 3.49 or a 153, 3.1 because the median is an actual person or group of persons (people don't consider this often) and both of those applicants would have the same effect on the schools medians because they are both below them.

I think some schools would still take the guy with the 159 because they would assume he would be a better student, but not always, and the point is that personal statements for URM's are very important because numbers of often less important due to the fact that URM's compete with spots against other URM's, and schools generally assume those URM's are going to be below their numbers.

This isn't one of those "URM's are stupid" threads, at all, URM's are often below numbers at a certain school because they know they can get into schools where they are below both the medians.

They get in because the write themselves in.

ShuckingNotJiving wrote:i like how you've posted this in two forums and got responses on both of them. you should go for the hattrick. head on over to lawschool admissions forum, copy, paste, click.

Actually I think I already have the hattrick. This was originally in the Admissions forum but got moved to the PS forum.

mrwarre85 wrote:

glitter178 wrote:

URMdan wrote:Particularly AA URMs

not at all. just check the box

Oh my god you're hilarious.

The answer is that it matters a ton. It is more important for URM's because schools basically have have a quota (they say they don't but they do) for URM's and they generally assume that these candidates will be below their numbers. People incorrectly lament URM's for "taking their spots" but really they don't compete directly with them. Anyway that is beside the point.

Say a school has a median LSAT of 160, a median GPA of 3.5, and they want to take 40 URM's this cycle. They will likely offer big schollys to any URM that is above one of their medians, but basically if its a large school they will get about 200 URM aps for those remaining 30 spots (say 10 URM's are above numbers and accept the scholly). All of those aps will be below both their medians. At this point, after they weed out the ones that have numbers so low that they worry the applicant would fail out or embarrass their school, they pick which applicant they like the most. It makes no difference whether the applicant has has a 159, 3.49 or a 153, 3.1 because the median is an actual person or group of persons (people don't consider this often) and both of those applicants would have the same effect on the schools medians because they are both below them.

I think some schools would still take the guy with the 159 because they would assume he would be a better student, but not always, and the point is that personal statements for URM's are very important because numbers of often less important due to the fact that URM's compete with spots against other URM's, and schools generally assume those URM's are going to be below their numbers.

This isn't one of those "URM's are stupid" threads, at all, URM's are often below numbers at a certain school because they know they can get into schools where they are below both the medians.

They get in because the write themselves in.

Thank you.

URMdan wrote:

ShuckingNotJiving wrote:i like how you've posted this in two forums and got responses on both of them. you should go for the hattrick. head on over to lawschool admissions forum, copy, paste, click.

Actually I think I already have the hattrick. This was originally in the Admissions forum but got moved to the PS forum.

NOICE!