New York Law School class of 2011 Forum

[alimania]

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[Player30]

I'm in and visiting Monday.

[alimania]

Great... let me (and anyone else interested) know how it goes... your impression of the building, profs, etc... it would really help!

[alimania]

How was your visit?

[Player30]

Not bad. The TriBeca location is great. Students seemed nice. I sat in on a Criminal Law class and it was very well taught. Most students seemed happy to be going there, though I did get the sense it is very rigorous and I'm not sure how often people get to take advantage of the NYC location. I have that and Pace right now that I am basically considering, and I am on a bunch of waitlists.

[alimania]

I had the same problem - Pace or NYLS. In the end, though, I ended up withdrawing from Pace and sent in my deposit to NYLS.

I'm also on 3 waitlists, but I'm seriously thinking of withdrawing, just because I don't feel like going through with them (Miami, Rutgers Newark, and USF).

Btw, the deadline for deposits has passed - where did you send yours to?

[kg5]

Anyone staying in the residence hall next semester looking for a roommate? Or any general reviews of what the residence hall is like? Good/Bad? Thanks.

[alimania]

Hey man, I think I'm gonna stay in the residence hall for at least the 1st year

[kg5]

nice, anyone have any reviews of it?

[MTal]

For the love of God, please think twice about going here.

[tragedism]

For the love of God, please think twice about going here.

As a person who is on the edge about going here, I have to ask: why?

[MTal]

NYLS is the 3rd most expensive law school in the United States which also happens to be located in an area with one of the highest costs of living in the country. Without a scholarship, you will likely graduate with 180k in debt in a legal market which is completely saturated with higher ranked and more respected schools. Simply put, your job prospects will not be good. Please do your own research on this.

[alimania]

Why, then, do you assume the following:

1) That paying for law school would be a problem
2) That one indeed isn't receiving a scholarship for attending
3) Everyone wants to do biglaw (I'm assuming this is the "saturated" market you're talking about)

[underdawg]

Why, then, do you assume the following:

1) That paying for law school would be a problem
2) That one indeed isn't receiving a scholarship for attending
3) Everyone wants to do biglaw (I'm assuming this is the "saturated" market you're talking about)

What? Most people don't have $180k lying around. Why do you assume that everyone is as rich as you? Paying for law school is a problem for 80% of applicants or so...

[nvoight911]

I agree with UD, and the job prospects aren't good considering NYU, Columbia, Fordham, Brooklyn, Cardozo, and St. John's are more respected

[alimania]

Why, then, do you assume the following:

1) That paying for law school would be a problem
2) That one indeed isn't receiving a scholarship for attending
3) Everyone wants to do biglaw (I'm assuming this is the "saturated" market you're talking about)

What? Most people don't have $180k lying around. Why do you assume that everyone is as rich as you? Paying for law school is a problem for 80% of applicants or so...

Just to clear things up, 1) and 2) are supposed to be the same thing... what I meant by paying for law school not being a problem, is that many people are receiving some kind of scholarship and not paying full tuition!

[alimania]

I agree with UD, and the job prospects aren't good considering NYU, Columbia, Fordham, Brooklyn, Cardozo, and St. John's are more respected

Someone who is considering NYLS would probably never (or very rarely with extreme LSAT prep) get into NYU, Columbia, or Fordham.

As for job prospects compared to Cardozo, Brooklyn - sure NYLS is worse off. But don't kid yourself, not MUCH worse off. I would say Cardozo places something like top 20% firmly in biglaw (just an estimate). Brooklyn a bit less (15-18%?).

I would still prefer NYLS over SJU to be honest, because of the killer location. And plus SJU's pacement in biglaw is not much better than NYLS's. It differs by a few %. While NYLS probably places around the top 10% in biglaw, SJU can't be more than 13-14%.

I've done the research and I know. Just go on to any top firm websites and check for NYLS grads. All of them have them - can't say the same for SJU.

Again, if one were receiving some kind of scholarship to go to NYLS, it's not a bad option at all for NYC, especially since said person probably would have a hard time gunning for NYU and Columbia.

[nvoight911]

I agree with UD, and the job prospects aren't good considering NYU, Columbia, Fordham, Brooklyn, Cardozo, and St. John's are more respected

Someone who is considering NYLS would probably never (or very rarely with extreme LSAT prep) get into NYU, Columbia, or Fordham.

As for job prospects compared to Cardozo, Brooklyn - sure NYLS is worse off. But don't kid yourself, not MUCH worse off. I would say Cardozo places something like top 20% firmly in biglaw (just an estimate). Brooklyn a bit less (15-18%?).

I would still prefer NYLS over SJU to be honest, because of the killer location. And plus SJU's pacement in biglaw is not much better than NYLS's. It differs by a few %. While NYLS probably places around the top 10% in biglaw, SJU can't be more than 13-14%.

I've done the research and I know. Just go on to any top firm websites and check for NYLS grads. All of them have them - can't say the same for SJU.

Again, if one were receiving some kind of scholarship to go to NYLS, it's not a bad option at all for NYC, especially since said person probably would have a hard time gunning for NYU and Columbia.

O yeah, i know what you're saying, i just mean one needs to really do the research before taking that risk(which looks like u've done the necessary research)

[underdawg]

Why, then, do you assume the following:

1) That paying for law school would be a problem
2) That one indeed isn't receiving a scholarship for attending
3) Everyone wants to do biglaw (I'm assuming this is the "saturated" market you're talking about)

What? Most people don't have $180k lying around. Why do you assume that everyone is as rich as you? Paying for law school is a problem for 80% of applicants or so...

Just to clear things up, 1) and 2) are supposed to be the same thing... what I meant by paying for law school not being a problem, is that many people are receiving some kind of scholarship and not paying full tuition!

Well, learn to number for next time.

[alimania]

Quick info I just looked up

Wachtell (vault #1) attorneys:

Brooklyn: 0
Cardozo: 0
NYLS: 2
St John's: 0
Fordham: 4
(NYU and Columbia obviously have much more)

Cravath (v #2) attorneys:

NYLS 1
Brooklyn 5
Cardozo 5
St John's 3
Fordham 35 (wow!)


Sullivan (Vault #3) attorneys:

St. John's 5
NYLS 7
Fordham 9
Brooklyn 16
Cardozo 0? (It wasn't on their list of lawyers' schools --LinkRemoved-- )

OK, Cravath didn't look very good - Fordham has 35! But like I mentioned before, someone who can get into Fordham wouldn't consider NYLS. Compared to Dozo, Brooklyn and St John's, I would say in the top 3, NYLS does pretty good. It's certainly not the best (not by a long shot), but it doesn't deserve the negativity it gets.

[aximpod]

NYLS gets a fair number into biglaw. There are certain law firms that like to hire from certain schools more than others (due to alums who are partner or connections with the career office).

I know Simpson likes St. Johns and Brooklyn. They have 16 from BLS.

I guess Sullivan also likes BLS judging by the numbers.

There are firms that do like to hire NYLS students. It just depends on how much they like their current associates from NYLS.

Then there are some firms that refused to take anyone from certain school for some reason. I guess they had a bad experience with a past associate. Sullivan didn't even list Cardozo as a school option.

[alimania]

NYLS gets a fair number into biglaw. There are certain law firms that like to hire from certain schools more than others (due to alums who are partner or connections with the career office).

I know Simpson likes St. Johns and Brooklyn. They have 16 from BLS.

I guess Sullivan also likes BLS judging by the numbers.

There are firms that do like to hire NYLS students. It just depends on how much they like their current associates from NYLS.

Then there are some firms that refused to take anyone from certain school for some reason. I guess they had a bad experience with a past associate. Sullivan didn't even list Cardozo as a school option.

Yea, I think that's pretty much true when talking about Cardozo, NYLS, Brooklyn, and St John's. Some firms prefer grads from one of these schools more than the others. However, when you get to Fordham, NYU, Columbia, it's no longer relevant.

[MTal]

Edited for being a jerk...but my personal opinions remains that just because a few Biglaw firms hire from NYLS, that does not justify that vast expenditure needed to attend for all 3 years.

[alimania]

Edited for being a jerk...but my personal opinions remains that just because a few Biglaw firms hire from NYLS, that does not justify that vast expenditure needed to attend for all 3 years.

Alright great. No reason to post in this thread then.

[jamieonline]

Why, then, do you assume the following:

1) That paying for law school would be a problem
2) That one indeed isn't receiving a scholarship for attending
3) Everyone wants to do biglaw (I'm assuming this is the "saturated" market you're talking about)

Working as a legal lawyer is one of the most lucrative career option.

I have previously been working voluntarily with a new york injury law firm (LinkRemoved), and the firm makes more than several millions a year

This is the reason why I am planning to get some law school degree so that I can become a professional lawyer too