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Great explanation of HYS LRAP vs others

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:13 pm
by Nooblarzlarz
Got a PM on reddit regarding Harvard's LRAP (LIPP) vs other schools. Thought I would share:

"Here's why. Harvard, Yale, and Stanford fund their own programs; they don't rely on the government. At every other school, what the school essentially does is have you go on IBR and then pays your IBR payment. There are many potential problems with this:
  • PSLF could go away in ten years. (This is more than idle speculation, by the way. Obama's proposed 2015 budget guts PSLF into something barely usable for law school students. There's no way that budget will pass, mind you, but if that's Obama's position you could imagine what may occur under a different administration.)
  • Even if it doesn't you MUST work all ten years in the public sector or NONE of the debt is forgiven.
  • You might actually wind up with MORE debt if you leave before ten years because IBR doesn't always cover the interest accrued.
  • The entire scheme is at the mercy of the government.
  • The job must be PSLF eligible (LIPP is slightly broader than that, covering ANY legal employment even if private and ANY non-profit or public job.)
LIPP doesn't do any of that. LIPP cuts you a check every six months to make payments on the normal ten year schedule, so you pay back as if you were making normal payments. That means if you use it for five years and move to the private sector, half you loans are gone. If you use it for eight, 80% is gone. There is no minimum either. In fact, you can actually start in private sector employment and switch over and still use LIPP on a ten year schedule. So if you work in Biglaw for three years and change over to a lower paying job, you will have made three years progress, and LIPP will help you for the remaining seven. No other plans work that way.

Why is that important? Because bigfed and other competitive sector stuff is INSANELY competitive now due to budget cuts. Many people who want to work in government have a tough time getting full time public sector work. (Even at Harvard and Yale - that's how tough it is.) LIPP is structured to be flexible for the varied careers that people actually have, not for the ideal careers people imagine. IF you land a bigfed job right out of school and IF you keep that job ten years and IF PSLF doesn't go away then you might have done better under Chicago's plan. But that's a lot of if's.

Flexibility is important the other direction too. Many public sector jobs have private exit options that can be lucrative after a few years, and the value people place on money changes over time. Many young people can live pretty comfortably on a public interest salary, but sometimes later on they will have kids and want a big house, private school, etc. and they may decide they want to go private for a few years to pay for it."

Re: Great explanation of HYS LRAP vs others

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:33 pm
by baloneydanza
I'm gonna bump this to see what the TLS LRAP "experts" think about this. Are there any situations in which a person who wants to pursue PI is better off relying on another school's LRAP? Assuming they're not 100% certain they will want / be able to stay in PI for 10 years until loan forgiveness. And what if they are 100% certain?

Re: Great explanation of HYS LRAP vs others

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:51 pm
by swampman
baloneydanza wrote:I'm gonna bump this to see what the TLS LRAP "experts" think about this. Are there any situations in which a person who wants to pursue PI is better off relying on another school's LRAP? Assuming they're not 100% certain they will want / be able to stay in PI for 10 years until loan forgiveness. And what if they are 100% certain?
There is only one situation where you are better off.
IF:
-Public Service Loan Forgiveness and PAYE will remain unchanged in the next ten years (or you are grandfathered into the old PSLF/PAYE).
-You are certain that you want PI.
-You are certain that you want PI for 10 years.
-You are certain that you will not get fired from your PI position and be unable to find a new one in the next ten years.
-You will be making over 46k (LIPP 0-contribution level) but under the income caps for other LRAPs (50-75kish depending on school)

If all those are true then you will end up having paid less (possibly a good deal less depending on your income) on another school's LRAP. But there is no way you could know that all those are true right now, so Harvard wins. Surprise.

Re: Great explanation of HYS LRAP vs others

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:58 pm
by patogordo
except that many people are choosing between HYS at sticker and large scholarships at other schools so it's more complicated than that.

Re: Great explanation of HYS LRAP vs others

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:05 pm
by swampman
patogordo wrote:except that many people are choosing between HYS at sticker and large scholarships at other schools so it's more complicated than that.
Yeah good point, I was assuming equal debt load.