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Or even says, "Nah man, fuck you," when the time comes to actually forgive the debt?

Secede.

Revolt.

I like this conversation. It implies that if the government were in such a bad way that getting rid of IBR made good sense, without grandfathering us in, we wouldn't all have a lot more important things to worry.

Fark-o-vision wrote:I like this conversation. It implies that if the government were in such a bad way that getting rid of IBR made good sense, without grandfathering us in, we wouldn't all have a lot more important things to worry.

The government would never let millions of homeowners be foreclosed on!

^^ Perfect analogy Also not the point of post. Poster is just saying that if it came to removing IBR, we are probably facing a ton of other problems that are way worse.


There are also a million threads on this.

I doubt it would be possible for the government to do this for people who have already taken loans out- there are probably a lot of contractual issues.


Besides you can always just not pay, then the terms of the garnishment are very similar to IBR.

IAFG wrote:

Fark-o-vision wrote:I like this conversation. It implies that if the government were in such a bad way that getting rid of IBR made good sense, without grandfathering us in, we wouldn't all have a lot more important things to worry.

The government would never let millions of homeowners be foreclosed on!

Who ever said that? Grandfathering is a pretty standard practice used to gain support for a bill. You think even Red State Republicans want their children's loans blowing up? It's one thing to do something unpopular through inaction (though again, I'm not sure anyone ever made the claim your illustrating) but it's a whole different story to do it through policy.

Fark-o-vision wrote:

IAFG wrote:

Fark-o-vision wrote:I like this conversation. It implies that if the government were in such a bad way that getting rid of IBR made good sense, without grandfathering us in, we wouldn't all have a lot more important things to worry.

The government would never let millions of homeowners be foreclosed on!

Who ever said that? Grandfathering is a pretty standard practice used to gain support for a bill. You think even Red State Republicans want their children's loans blowing up? It's one thing to do something unpopular through inaction (though again, I'm not sure anyone ever made the claim your illustrating) but it's a whole different story to do it through policy.

IBR is so new that it's not going to impact tons of people, so it isn't like tons of kids' loans will be "blowing up," they'll just be in the position people were prior to 2007. and i don't think you're going to find tons of support from the Republicans to protect the educated elite who used taxpayer money for educations that end up not paying for themselves. i'm not saying it will happen, but to assume that only a gov't meltdown would induce the Fed to phase out the program is more faith than i have in Congress.

IAFG wrote: i don't think you're going to find tons of support from the Republicans to protect the educated elite who used taxpayer money for educations that end up not paying for themselves.

IBR received overwhelming support from Republicans in both the House and Senate when passed, why would these same Republicans now reverse themselves? If I recall correctly, the "I voted for it before I voted against it" stance has been problematic for politicians.

IAFG wrote:

Fark-o-vision wrote:

IAFG wrote:

Fark-o-vision wrote:I like this conversation. It implies that if the government were in such a bad way that getting rid of IBR made good sense, without grandfathering us in, we wouldn't all have a lot more important things to worry.

The government would never let millions of homeowners be foreclosed on!

Who ever said that? Grandfathering is a pretty standard practice used to gain support for a bill. You think even Red State Republicans want their children's loans blowing up? It's one thing to do something unpopular through inaction (though again, I'm not sure anyone ever made the claim your illustrating) but it's a whole different story to do it through policy.

IBR is so new that it's not going to impact tons of people, so it isn't like tons of kids' loans will be "blowing up," they'll just be in the position people were prior to 2007. and i don't think you're going to find tons of support from the Republicans to protect the educated elite who used taxpayer money for educations that end up not paying for themselves. i'm not saying it will happen, but to assume that only a gov't meltdown would induce the Fed to phase out the program is more faith than i have in Congress.

Because you aren't particularly bright, or because you don't understand how these things work?

There are no contractual issues and the government can do this at any time that it pleases. In Europe right now governments are seizing pensions from private individuals. IBR is a joke compared to that.

Columbia Law wrote:Or even says, "Nah man, fuck you," when the time comes to actually forgive the debt?

I'll just sell my summer home to help pay down my debt.

Fark-o-vision wrote:
Because you aren't particularly bright, or because you don't understand how these things work?

You're being a bitch for no reason. Political whims change. It is a risk that is not unreasonable to consider if you're betting a couple hundred grand on.

Leave the country. Three citizenships ftw.

IAFG wrote:

Fark-o-vision wrote:
Because you aren't particularly bright, or because you don't understand how these things work?

You're being a bitch for no reason. Political whims change. It is a risk that is not unreasonable to consider if you're betting a couple hundred grand on.

Absolutely unreasonable. Considering that you consider this a political "whim" when the average lawyer--not to mention the average PhD, Doctor, etc.--graduates with a hundred thousand plus in debt indicates only further that only my original possibilities exist. You think red stater's haven't overpaid for MBA's and JD's that will never, ever pay off? The fact is that IBR can be rolled back, though the likelihood is minimal, but if it does those of us who took out loans now will be grandfathered in. If we are reduced to Greek like austerity measures, have fun eating what you kill. Because that is literally what every person in America, if not on Earth, will be reduced to.

Columbia Law wrote:Or even says, "Nah man, fuck you," when the time comes to actually forgive the debt?

join the military

Eh, it's probably too small a program to get noticed by anyone anyway.

It won't really cost any money until 2017, and won't explode until 2033 when the 25 year thing happens.

The real problem is that the tax bomb for the 25 year program still exists. I dunno if you can get that passed in this climate.

Run like the wind... Towards the nearest airport

Borhas wrote:

Columbia Law wrote:Or even says, "Nah man, fuck you," when the time comes to actually forgive the debt?

join the military

That, and/or weep heavily, using my degree as a tissue.

I'll have myself deported.

Seriously, though, OP is a troll. And at least T14ers have LRAPs to back them up.