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IBTLwiglaf1228 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence
Corporate work requires a high IQ. Read that article for why black people tend not to have high IQs, and for the ten million arguments as to why that is the case.
I don't get it. It's cool that you crossed this out I guess, but why did you even post it in the first place?wiglaf1228 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence
Corporate work requires a high IQ. Read that article for why black people tend not to have high IQs, and for the ten million arguments as to why that is the case.
Save for the bold, most of what you said makes sense.dingbat wrote:I don't consider the question inflammatory, just the potential responses.
I think a lot of it is for socio-cultural reasons.
Consider how many black people distrust the police, politicians, the system (and lawyers) relative to white people.
Consider how many black people come from a background that doesn't value education to the same extent (consider the difference in high school graduation rates and how it gets worse as you go up the food chain) or from a poor background that can't fathom spending a quarter million dollars on a law degree.
As for why more go into litigation, that again could be because those who do go through with it and become lawyers are more often driven by a purpose other than making a lot of money, which means they're more likely to end up in litigation than in, say, corporate.
lisjjen wrote:OK, I'll play. The history of racial repression and oppression in the United States means that historically, fewer Blacks have had an exposure to high end professions. There is what sociologists call a "conceptualization gap." That is, even if Blacks and Hispanics have high ambitions, they don't understand how to get to their end goal. That means fewer Black students saw their Dad work 70 hour weeks with a horrible office culture. That means the few Blacks who can figure out how to get into biglaw feeder schools and then go on to get biglaw grades get into biglaw and decide they hate the lifestyle after a few years because they had no way to conceptualize how bad it really is.
lisjjen wrote:My prediction is this turns into a shitshow and gets banned.
roaringeagle wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but do black people dislike law more than white people? I recently had a long discussion with a very well educated black dude who said that he could not imagine representing a guilty client or a dishonest client. It would be against his morals and what he stands for.
Obviously discrimination and socio/economic issues play into this heavily, but I have seen many black successful people in business, but less in law. Is there an aversion to this profession?
I mean my boss in black and is awesome, and he's proud that I'm going to law school. So is my black District boss. I just never really talked to them about the law and what it means to them personally.
Part of working biglaw is rationalizing the fact that you are working for terrible people. That's uncomfortable. I'm not coming from left field on this.lisjjen wrote:OK, I'll play. The history of racial repression and oppression in the United States means that historically, fewer Blacks have had an exposure to high end professions. There is what sociologists call a "conceptualization gap." That is, even if Blacks and Hispanics have high ambitions, they don't understand how to get to their end goal. That means fewer Black students saw their Dad work 70 hour weeks with a horrible office culture. That means the few Blacks who can figure out how to get into biglaw feeder schools and then go on to get biglaw grades get into biglaw and decide they hate the lifestyle after a few years because they had no way to conceptualize how bad it really is.
As a young black man myself I have to say the bolded is huge. A large amount of us have high ambitions, but don't truly understand how to go about attaining them because nobody around us has done what we're attempting to do. By the time many of us find out what we should have done, in a lot of cases, it's too late (i.e. going to college while already having a family to support, etc). As you said it's not necessarily a black thing, it's a socio-economic one. It's a big desire of mine to make some sort of impact in our community regarding this issue in particular by the time it's all said and done.lisjjen wrote:OK, I'll play. The history of racial repression and oppression in the United States means that historically, fewer Blacks have had an exposure to high end professions. There is what sociologists call a "conceptualization gap." That is, even if Blacks and Hispanics have high ambitions, they don't understand how to get to their end goal. That means fewer Black students saw their Dad work 70 hour weeks with a horrible office culture. That means the few Blacks who can figure out how to get into biglaw feeder schools and then go on to get biglaw grades get into biglaw and decide they hate the lifestyle after a few years because they had no way to conceptualize how bad it really is.
Didn't read the article but i think based on the responses here, i get the gist of what it's about.TrialLawyer16 wrote:As a young black man myself I have to say the bolded is huge. A large amount of us have high ambitions, but don't truly understand how to go about attaining them because nobody around us has done what we're attempting to do. By the time many of us find out what we should have done, in a lot of cases, it's too late (i.e. going to college while already having a family to support, etc). As you said it's not necessarily a black thing, it's a socio-economic one. It's a big desire of mine to make some sort of impact in our community regarding this issue in particular by the time it's all said and done.lisjjen wrote:OK, I'll play. The history of racial repression and oppression in the United States means that historically, fewer Blacks have had an exposure to high end professions. There is what sociologists call a "conceptualization gap." That is, even if Blacks and Hispanics have high ambitions, they don't understand how to get to their end goal. That means fewer Black students saw their Dad work 70 hour weeks with a horrible office culture. That means the few Blacks who can figure out how to get into biglaw feeder schools and then go on to get biglaw grades get into biglaw and decide they hate the lifestyle after a few years because they had no way to conceptualize how bad it really is.
As a non-MX/PR Hispanic, I have to +1 this.TrialLawyer16 wrote:As a young black man myself I have to say the bolded is huge.lisjjen wrote:OK, I'll play. The history of racial repression and oppression in the United States means that historically, fewer Blacks have had an exposure to high end professions. There is what sociologists call a "conceptualization gap." That is, even if Blacks and Hispanics have high ambitions, they don't understand how to get to their end goal. That means fewer Black students saw their Dad work 70 hour weeks with a horrible office culture. That means the few Blacks who can figure out how to get into biglaw feeder schools and then go on to get biglaw grades get into biglaw and decide they hate the lifestyle after a few years because they had no way to conceptualize how bad it really is.