CLEO 2012
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:48 pm
Has anyone applied or received any rejects or acceptances to the Cleo program for 2012? Have they announced where they will host it this year?
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Yea...what do you guys make of this?bizismine24 wrote:I see that they have extended their deadline.
I agree that the price tag is a bit hefty. I can say that I applied to the program because of the "preview" aspect that allows one to to experience the rigors of the 1L year before it begins. From what I understand learning to brief cases, exposure to the Socratic method and networking opportunities represent the primary benefits of the program. I also applied for a low-income seat so hopefully I can save $1500 if accepted to CLEO.cylon_clone wrote:Yeah, the idea of paying $2000 (plus application fees) to go to a program in the middle of nowhere... in this economy...especially when many have already been accepted to at least one law school.
You're basically out of that money, plus missing out on 6 weeks of earning a pay check - easily another $1000.
I'm not trying to troll. Just wondering what this program offers that is worth being out $3000+ when there are other, less expensive options to gain legal experience.
I also think it's about paying for for a 1L preview. We all know how important our 1L year will be in terms of securing 1L summer internships, law review, etc. To me, the $3000+ is totally worth getting an edge in the classroom!cylon_clone wrote:Yeah, the idea of paying $2000 (plus application fees) to go to a program in the middle of nowhere... in this economy...especially when many have already been accepted to at least one law school.
You're basically out of that money, plus missing out on 6 weeks of earning a pay check - easily another $1000.
I'm not trying to troll. Just wondering what this program offers that is worth being out $3000+ when there are other, less expensive options to gain legal experience.
CLEO isn't going to give you an edge in the classroom.lady law wrote:I also think it's about paying for for a 1L preview. We all know how important our 1L year will be in terms of securing 1L summer internships, law review, etc. To me, the $3000+ is totally worth getting an edge in the classroom!
BK, What do you think is the primary benefit of CLEO (if any at all)? I'm curious to know your opinion of the program.bk187 wrote:CLEO isn't going to give you an edge in the classroom.lady law wrote:I also think it's about paying for for a 1L preview. We all know how important our 1L year will be in terms of securing 1L summer internships, law review, etc. To me, the $3000+ is totally worth getting an edge in the classroom!
Doing well in law school isn't rocket science so I can't see how CLEO's summer thing (which looks similar to Law Preview and Law Preview is universally reviled on TLS) could be of any value for doing well. In fact it just seems like a great way to burn yourself out further since you're spending 6 weeks on school and do more poorly than you might otherwise.hernanmi wrote:BK, What do you think is the primary benefit of CLEO (if any at all)? I'm curious to know your opinion of the program.
Fair enough!bk187 wrote:Doing well in law school isn't rocket science so I can't see how CLEO's summer thing (which looks similar to Law Preview and Law Preview is universally reviled on TLS) could be of any value for doing well. In fact it just seems like a great way to burn yourself out further since you're spending 6 weeks on school and do more poorly than you might otherwise.hernanmi wrote:BK, What do you think is the primary benefit of CLEO (if any at all)? I'm curious to know your opinion of the program.
If there's any benefit to it it wouldn't relate to law school performance but more to anything else it gives. I see it says CLEO scholars are possibly eligible for grants. That might be useful, but I have no idea what ones chances of getting $ out of it are.
bk187 wrote:CLEO isn't going to give you an edge in the classroom.lady law wrote:I also think it's about paying for for a 1L preview. We all know how important our 1L year will be in terms of securing 1L summer internships, law review, etc. To me, the $3000+ is totally worth getting an edge in the classroom!
Because the fundamental aspects of law school aren't that hard. What makes it difficult is the fact that you are competing on a curve against similarly intelligent and similarly hard working people. That will be the same whether or not you go to CLEO.lady law wrote:How did you come to this conclusion?
That makes sense and I definitely see where your coming from. Still, I think that the program could be useful in terms of improving one's legal writing skills and providing exposure to the type and amount of work that is typical of law school. I went to one of the top ivy league schools for undergrad where everyone was obviously intelligent and (arguably) hard working...and unfortunately graded on a ridiculous curvebk187 wrote:Because the fundamental aspects of law school aren't that hard. What makes it difficult is the fact that you are competing on a curve against similarly intelligent and similarly hard working people. That will be the same whether or not you go to CLEO.lady law wrote:How did you come to this conclusion?
Legal writing skills aren't going to significantly help with your doctrinal classes, imo. And legal writing class grades are often arbitrary, especially when the briefs that students turn in are all quite similar.lady law wrote:That makes sense and I definitely see where your coming from. Still, I think that the program could be useful in terms of improving one's legal writing skills and providing exposure to the type and amount of work that is typical of law school. I went to one of the top ivy league schools for undergrad where everyone was obviously intelligent and (arguably) hard working...and unfortunately graded on a ridiculous curve![]()
From my own experiences, I can attest to the fact that learning how to write in a particular way is invaluable in terms of earning top grades. Also, let's not forget that at CLEO, we would have our writing critiqued by law school professors...I'm sure that can't hurt.