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Hi,

I got a 2.8 gpa at Yale college but scored a 178 on the LSAT (only took it once). I should also add that I am a black male. What schools do I have a shot at? Is Harvard at least possible?

Thanks

Anywhere. S may be difficult with the GPA, but that LSAT as an AA male will be golden virtually everywhere

JamMasterJ wrote:Anywhere. S may be difficult with the GPA, but that LSAT as an AA male will be golden virtually everywhere

What about Yale?

Yale's always hard to predict, but, yeah, it's possible. I've really never seen anyone quite like you on here so it's really hard to tell

I'd tell you to use LSN, but there really is no sample to draw on of people like you. I don't think I've ecer seen an AA male 178

JamMasterJ wrote:Yale's always hard to predict, but, yeah, it's possible. I've really never seen anyone quite like you on here so it's really hard to tell

I would say Yale is impossible unless you're a legacy, or have some sort of pull with the admissions committee. TBH wih you, I'm not sure you have a chance anywhere in the T3. Of course, this would highly depend on why your GPA is so low. URM cycles are hard enough to predict, but compound that with your splitter status and it becomes damn near impossible (In other words, take everything I--and what others say--with a grain of salt).

Edit: T3, not T6. I recall seeing splitters with similar numbers in at NYU.

2.8 in what? Fresh out of undergrad or will you have work experience?

Alltheirsplendor wrote:

JamMasterJ wrote:Yale's always hard to predict, but, yeah, it's possible. I've really never seen anyone quite like you on here so it's really hard to tell

I would say Yale is impossible unless you're a legacy, or have some sort of pull with the admissions committee. TBH wih you, I'm not sure you have a chance anywhere in the T3. Of course, this would highly depend on why your GPA is so low. URM cycles are hard enough to predict, but compound that with your splitter status and it becomes damn near impossible (In other words, take everything I--and what others say--with a grain of salt).

Edit: T3, not T6. I recall seeing splitters with similar numbers in at NYU.

Harvard will take you EDIT: at least your chances at the T3 lie mostly at H

You guys are being way too optimistic, or at least too certain about your optimism.

Law schools don't give a huge boost to URM splitters.

That 2.8 is a horrid GPA, and a lot of schools aren't going to like it. They are going to dislike it more than they like a 178.

This is one case were a good reason for the bad grades would help the OP immensely. The longer you've been out of school the better.

OP has a decent, but small shot at YHS. Definitely worth applying, but it's not in the bag. OP has a better shot at CCN. OP will probaby get a couple of the lower t14. There is a chance he doesn't get anything in the T14.

OP: Be careful to make a good application, and apply broadly.

DF is pretty on point. URM splitters don't seem to get as much of a boost as you'd think. An AA male with a 3.9/165 is probably in much better shape at t13 schools than one with a 3.0/171.

You have a shot at T6 and but no one here can tell you how you fair at HYS. None are out of the realm of possibility but you should not expect to get into any of them.

Write a killer DS.

Stringer Bell wrote:DF is pretty on point. URM splitters don't seem to get as much of a boost as you'd think. An AA male with a 3.9/165 is probably in much better shape at t13 schools than one with a 3.0/171.

Northwestern has at least two URM splitters my year, and they probably could have gotten in as a while person, and didn't get money. And they chose NU, so they probably didn't get T6.

2.8 is a killer for the t14, except NU. It's autoding at 13/14 schools. Even worse 2.8 at Yale is really fucking bad. Like damn near the worst of the worst. And, the OP got a 178, so he was probably just lazy as shit.

But Yale is a huge plus, as is being URM, and obviously 178 is good too.

This is a mixture of good softs/hards and terrible softs/hards. Making any kind of proclamation is silly.

OP needs to apply broadly and get ready for a while ride. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets dinged at Cornell but in at Harvard.

Blanket the T-14 and some schools in the teens and twenties based on your regional preferences. Any school is possible but it's going to be difficult to impossible to predict where you will get in.

Stringer Bell wrote:DF is pretty on point. URM splitters don't seem to get as much of a boost as you'd think. An AA male with a 3.9/165 is probably in much better shape at t13 schools than one with a 3.0/171.

I'd like to cosign on this sentiment. Last cycle, there was someone with similar numbers who got virtually shut out of the T6 save NYU and barely got any money from T14s. However, there was someone with around a 160/4.0 who got into Harvard. I truly feel that the most unpredictable cycles are URM splitters. URM Reverse splitters are rather predictable, contrary to popular belief.

Apply EVERYWHERE because you really have NO way of predicting what will happen. Regardless, I'm sure you will get into a good school, just maybe not a YHS.

yngblkgifted wrote:

Stringer Bell wrote:DF is pretty on point. URM splitters don't seem to get as much of a boost as you'd think. An AA male with a 3.9/165 is probably in much better shape at t13 schools than one with a 3.0/171.

I'd like to cosign on this sentiment. Last cycle, there was someone with similar numbers who got virtually shut out of the T6 save NYU and barely got any money from T14s. However, there was someone with around a 160/4.0 who got into Harvard. I truly feel that the most unpredictable cycles are URM splitters. URM Reverse splitters are rather predictable, contrary to popular belief.

Apply EVERYWHERE because you really have NO way of predicting what will happen. Regardless, I'm sure you will get into a good school, just maybe not a YHS.

Word. Are you thinkin' of Byakuya? That could be whom I'm recalling...

Thanks for all the feedback. I majored in economics. I started out as an engineering major (which killed my GPA). Not only did I get low grades, but I essentially gave up on performing well, even when I switched to an easier major.

I just got hired teaching at Testmasters. I am hoping that a couple of years teaching the LSAT -- and distancing myself from undergrad -- will improve my chances.

Just as a side note: I studied for 5 months strait for the LSAT. I took a course, and at the end of it, I had a huge score range. I would get 175 one day but 159 the next. I kept studying for an extra 2.5 months. I took tests everyday, sometimes two tests a day. I ended up taking every test out there twice. In the last month, I took mostly new tests and still never scored below a 172. Anyways, for any of you studying for the LSAT, I really think putting in massive hours over a long period of time is key.

Thanks again for all the remarks

for what its worth, and this depends entirely on what you actually want out of your time/life, finding more substantive work than tutoring the LSAT will probably help your chances if you are already planning to take time off. not trying to knock tutoring, but there's other things that are gonna look better to adcomm's.

I don't know anything about this, but I would hope that the small available knowledge about splitters and URMs would not hold true in this case. The reason nobody knows anything about it is because there's almost no such thing. Yeah, maybe some schools have a GPA floor even if you get a 180. But the conventional wisdom is that AA is like a ten point bump - making OP more of a commodity than a 180. I have to imagine that any school, including HYS, is a possibility.

ETA: Yeah, I know that once you're above the 75th, specific numbers don't matter as much. But OP is rare as a hen's tooth for a reason, and that's gotta count for something.

thanks for the thoughts... anymore?

by the way, is someone willing to suck me?

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HMan99 wrote:by the way, is someone willing to suck me?

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Kabuo wrote:

HMan99 wrote:by the way, is someone willing to suck me?

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Ah shit, I really didn't think he was a flame. Oh well...

Ikki wrote:

Kabuo wrote:

HMan99 wrote:by the way, is someone willing to suck me?

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Ah shit, I really didn't think he was a flame. Oh well...

I don't get it. Aren't flames supposed to be saying outrageous stuff? Walking into a forum with a plausible story and asking for advice just seems like a waste of fucking time if you're making shit up.

Drake014 wrote:

Ikki wrote:

Kabuo wrote:

HMan99 wrote:by the way, is someone willing to suck me?

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Ah shit, I really didn't think he was a flame. Oh well...

I don't get it. Aren't flames supposed to be saying outrageous stuff? Walking into a forum with a plausible story and asking for advice just seems like a waste of fucking time if you're making shit up.

Asking to get sucked off with a single digit post count, on an on-topic forum seems pretty outrageous.

Damn.....this is getting ridiculous. If you are going to flame at least be a professional about it. This was just stupid. In my day flamers had class. For shame. And also claiming to be a minority and then becoming a flame is probably racist. I haven't figured out how yet but it seems racist.