3.4/ 163 AA Female--T14? Forum

[pixystics]

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[bk1]

Look at LSN for people with similar numbers.

Also lol at public ivy like it matters.

[2011Cycle]

3.44 public Ivy/ 163 AA Female

Hoping I can get some insight on my chances. Soft majors, but strong extracurriculars and WE. First gen college graduate; Overcame socio-economic disadvantages; worked throughout college; volunteered in PI/legal field for 2+ years post-grad. Interested in PI law.

Should I apply ED to any of these schools? Will it hurt my chances of getting a PI scholarship? Or is it more important to shoot for school with a good LRAP program, rather than scholarships?

New York University
Berkeley
UCLA
USC
UPenn
Boston
UNC

Thanks for the help!

Add GULC. NYU/Berkeley/UCLA reaches(LSAT fine but 3.6 or greater for GPA probably required)

[pixystics]

Look at LSN for people with similar numbers.

Also lol at public ivy like it matters.

lol only used it because I've seen other people on the forum use it

Add GULC. NYU/Berkeley/UCLA reaches(LSAT fine but 3.6 or greater for GPA probably required)

Got it. Not much I can do about Berkeley, but will applying ED to NYU and UCLA help my chances?

[Destined]

Cornell ILR?

[bk1]

Other people are dumb.


You can't ED to more than one place at a time.

[Kuya de Martyr]

OP goes to one of the University of California's I bet.

[pixystics]

I would love to shoot for Cornell, if it weren't so cold.

Not a UC graduate, but hoping to get into a UC this time around.

[JG Hall]

might be able to swing columbia... but the cash may be lacking

[Player21]

There was that guy here who had a 3.2 and like a 161 and got into NYU and he applied in mid December.

[EbonyEsq]

3.44 public Ivy/ 163 AA Female

Hoping I can get some insight on my chances. Soft majors, but strong extracurriculars and WE. First gen college graduate; Overcame socio-economic disadvantages; worked throughout college; volunteered in PI/legal field for 2+ years post-grad. Interested in PI law.

Should I apply ED to any of these schools? Will it hurt my chances of getting a PI scholarship? Or is it more important to shoot for school with a good LRAP program, rather than scholarships?

NYU
Berkeley
UCLA
USC
UPenn
Boston
Harvard
Stanford

Thanks for the help!

Do not apply ED and lock yourself into one school if you're seeking the best financial aid package. ED is only for folks who desire to attend one particular school no matter what they offer in grants/scholarships.

As for your question I think its important to shoot for a school that is highly ranked and that offers you the best financial aid package. The more highly ranked the more grants/scholarships they have to give away. NYU has amazing PI scholarships and that would be my top choice of all the aforementioned.

I think you have a shot at every one of those schools, even better yet if you decided to resit the LSAT and score higher. As someone mentioned earlier, add Columbia and GULC to the list. Also remember that the key to getting your PI scholarship is to apply EARLY!

Good luck! Are you applying this cycle?

[pixystics]

I am applying this cycle and have already started. Three down so far. I'm working on NYU now and will probably do Columbia next. I had hoped to have all of them done this month, but it looks like I'll have to give myself another month. I studied on my own for the LSAT the first time. I just might consider taking a class and taking a second crack at it in December.

Thx All

[1Levening2013]

i know bk already mentioned, but..

public ivy!?!?!? come on!

[Total Litigator]

Oh stop giving the OP such a hard time. Public Ivy is at least slightly relevant. Schools are trying to do 2 things: appease the US New God's and make sure their students are attractive to employers. US News might love a bunch of 4.0's from community colleges, but employers sure won't. Schools try and make sure that they admit a decent amount of people from the top schools, and from those schools they are slightly easier on the GPA. (However, I would imagine it couldn't be no more than .01). For example, one school I know of (I'm not saying which one) blatantly advertises to employers that "1/3" of their students hail from "Top 20 undergrads."

[1Levening2013]

Oh stop giving the OP such a hard time. Public Ivy is at least slightly relevant. Schools are trying to do 2 things: appease the US New God's and make sure their students are attractive to employers. US News might love a bunch of 4.0's from community colleges, but employers sure won't. Schools try and make sure that they admit a decent amount of people from the top schools, and from those schools they are slightly easier on the GPA. (However, I would imagine it couldn't be no more than .01). For example, one school I know of (I'm not saying which one) blatantly advertises to employers that "1/3" of their students hail from "Top 20 undergrads."

wrong and wrong and wrong

top 20 what? public? private? etc

[EbonyEsq]

I am applying this cycle and have already started. Three down so far. I'm working on NYU now and will probably do Columbia next. I had hoped to have all of them done this month, but it looks like I'll have to give myself another month. I studied on my own for the LSAT the first time. I just might consider taking a class and taking a second crack at it in December.

Thx All

Cool, but I think the best prep courses out there (BluePrintPrep, Testmasters180, Powerscore) may have already started their classes. If you have the money you may want to spend it on a private tutor through one of the better prep courses. They may be better able to identify and work on your weaknesses.

[pixystics]

public ivy!?!?!? come on!

ok I went to one of the top public schools in the country. can we move on and get a valid response to the post out of you--or are you just trolling?

edit: gotta protect the details

[Non-Chalant1]

I don't get what people mean about getting apps down and what not. I mean unless you're doing those specific Why Michigan essays...isn't it just submit as soon as you get you LSAT score, provided your personal statement is done? I mean how hard is it to fill out the exact same information on 10 applications and attach the same form and press submit?

[pixystics]

scholarship essays

[Columbia Law]

Those are some really terrible numbers. I don't know how much of a shot you will have, even as an AA.

Really shitty numbers to make a dent in the law school admissions party.

[djfe4president]

Those are some really terrible numbers. I don't know how much of a shot you will have, even as an AA.

Really shitty numbers to make a dent in the law school admissions party.

What's your problem?

[iambeautiful]

Those are some really terrible numbers. I don't know how much of a shot you will have, even as an AA.

Really shitty numbers to make a dent in the law school admissions party.

Wow! bad day?

[plenipotentiary]

Those are some really terrible numbers. I don't know how much of a shot you will have, even as an AA.

Really shitty numbers to make a dent in the law school admissions party.

You are wrong.

165/3.4 URM (AA), $50k at NYU, $60k at Michigan: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/illijah
164/3.4 URM (Mex), $30k at Notre Dame: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/patman
163/3.4 URM, in at NYU, Mich, Georgetown, Vandy: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/ohmboy
163/3.3 URM, full-ride at NYU: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Misslawyer2013
162/3.4 URM, in at Mich, $$$ at BC/BU: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/TimmyObama

In conclusion, URM pwns. OP should definitely apply to NYU and Michigan.

[vanwinkle]

1) Blanket the entire T14. Your numbers are good enough to be considered everywhere, but not good enough to assure you'll get in. Some schools may give you $$, others may WL or reject you, and with URM admissions it's hard to fully predict. You can also use UCLA and USC as safeties (and probably BC/BU since I suspect they'd give you $$$ too).

2) You can't be deciding between schools until you know where you're in. You first need to get into some really good schools and find out what scholarships you get from your safeties. But on the off chance you get into Harvard, you should go to Harvard, since their LIPP (their name for their LRAP program) is truly awesome. Other schools in the lower T14 range are going to be more iffy and would require a closer look and real debate.

3) Regardless of what schools have available, you should be learning about Income-Based Repayment or IBR. It's a program that caps qualifying federal loan repayments at 15% of your income over a certain threshold (the threshold is based on the poverty line), thus guaranteeing you never have to pay too much of your income back in loans in a given year. If you do PI work, then the government will forgive the remainder of your loans after 10 years of payments.

That means if you graduate and make $45,000 a year, you'll end up paying somewhere around $4,000 a year or so in loan repayments for 10 years (or about $40,000, which might not even cover the interest for those 10 years) and then have $180,000 or whatever the rest is forgiven by the government.

That alone can make it more worth it to go to the best school you can get into; even without LRAPs, it gives you a way to have manageable debt if you're going into PI, and going to a better school means more chances of getting the kind of PI job you really want in the city you really want.

UVA Law recently revamped their LRAP so that it combines with IBR and pays your IBR payment, so you end up not having to pay anything for your loans, up to a certain point. I think in the next few years, a lot of schools are going to be doing this kind of hybrid setup, since it's cheaper for them and still gets you out of loan repayment.

Anyway, my general point is: Get into schools, find out who's accepted you and who's offering you $$$, and then use that and knowledge of each school's LRAP to decide what to do.

[vanwinkle]

Those are some really terrible numbers. I don't know how much of a shot you will have, even as an AA.

Really shitty numbers to make a dent in the law school admissions party.

You are wrong.

165/3.4 URM (AA), $50k at NYU, $60k at Michigan: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/illijah
164/3.4 URM (Mex), $30k at Notre Dame: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/patman
163/3.4 URM, in at NYU, Mich, Georgetown, Vandy: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/ohmboy
163/3.3 URM, full-ride at NYU: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Misslawyer2013
162/3.4 URM, in at Mich, $$$ at BC/BU: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/TimmyObama

In conclusion, URM pwns. OP should definitely apply to NYU and Michigan.

This is a good breakdown, thank you for compiling that list so OP could see how wrong the above poster was.