Stats on URM
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:34 pm
How are they actually doing in law school? failing miserably?
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It may mean that you get to be window dressing at a firm, but there are some studies showing that URMs are less likely to make partner. I think I might have read the study on the LSAC website.Stanford4Me wrote:Doesn't matter, firms want us.
Thanks...Really wondering if many are setting their self failureMiranda 18 wrote:I believe the reason URMS do not make partner is because after a few years of experience other opportunities are open to them that leave. I remember reading this but will look for the site!
Found the paper I was referring to:bdubs wrote:It may mean that you get to be window dressing at a firm, but there are some studies showing that URMs are less likely to make partner. I think I might have read the study on the LSAC website.Stanford4Me wrote:Doesn't matter, firms want us.
From what I remember, the takeaway was that URMs do as well in firms as their grades would predict. Take from that what you will.
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/ ... kowitz.pdfHow Status, Prestige and School Performance Shape Legal Careers wrote: A few years ago, one of us (Sander) published a study of the use of racial preferences in big law firm hiring.19 Sander found that although firms hired blacks in proportion to their numbers in the applicant pool, to do so they had to select blacks with much lower law school GPAs than their white counterparts. The lower grades seemed to handicap blacks substantially in the big law “tournament”, plausibly leading to much higher attrition and lower rates of partnership attainment. Sander conceded that he had only indirect evidence for the role of law school GPA in law firm success, and therefore advanced the argument as a mere hypothesis.
You are presupposing that the relationship between LSAT/UGPA and law school performance holds holds equally for minority admits as for others. I would guess that it does, I just don't know.bk187 wrote:IIRC, URM's generally tend to get lower law school grades than others because they are admitted with lower LSAT/GPA numbers. Thus to hire them in proportion a firm has no choice but to hire ones with lower grades.
If you watch the youtube video I posted above he says that the LSAT correlation is even stronger for AA's than for others.bdubs wrote:You are presupposing that the relationship between LSAT/UGPA and law school performance holds holds equally for minority admits as for others. I would guess that it does, I just don't know.
Sanders study has been shown to have several flaws.bk187 wrote:If you watch the youtube video I posted above he says that the LSAT correlation is even stronger for AA's than for others.bdubs wrote:You are presupposing that the relationship between LSAT/UGPA and law school performance holds holds equally for minority admits as for others. I would guess that it does, I just don't know.
Oh, I know. I remember reading a paper a few years ago that discussed the issue of minority performance in law firms. I was being sarcastic with my original post.bdubs wrote:It may mean that you get to be window dressing at a firm, but there are some studies showing that URMs are less likely to make partner. I think I might have read the study on the LSAC website.Stanford4Me wrote:Doesn't matter, firms want us.
From what I remember, the takeaway was that URMs do as well in firms as their grades would predict. Take from that what you will.