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I have a very important question that I would like someone with knowledge regarding this situation to answer as honest as possible.

Basically my freshman year I took a remedial math course in the fall semester which I failed (due to a stupid attendance policy which stated if you miss the class 3 times you fail), I took the course over again in the spring semester and failed it again. Long story short I have wised up since freshman year and now have a 3.8 LSAC gpa (despite those remedial 2 F's, my freshman year grades were decent, some C's and B's and a couple A's. Since then a 4.0 ever since) with a 165 on the LSATS and an African-American male who will be graduating from a state school and decent softs.

Although those 2 remedial F's dont count negatively against my GPA (and are not included in my LSAC summary report but are shown on my school's transcripts) . How will these remedial F's look on my apps? I am gunning for the T-14 mainly Harvard,and although I know this law school app process is a complete numbers game, those F's negatively stand out very clear from the rest of my transcript and look especially bad being that they're from remedial classes. Anyway can someone please tell me how this will affect my cycle. Will the top-tier schools (HYS CCN) look down on this and thus affect my cycle? Will this stand out as a red flag?

bapelover800 wrote:I have a very important question that I would like someone with knowledge regarding this situation to answer as honest as possible.

Basically my freshman year I took a remedial math course in the fall semester which I failed (due to a stupid attendance policy which stated if you miss the class 3 times you fail), I took the course over again in the spring semester and failed it again. Long story short I have wised up since freshman year and now have a 3.8 LSAC gpa (despite those remedial 2 F's, my freshman year grades were decent, some C's and B's and a couple A's. Since then a 4.0 ever since) with a 165 on the LSATS and an African-American male who will be graduating from a state school and decent softs.

Although those 2 remedial F's dont count negatively against my GPA (and are not included in my LSAC summary report but are shown on my school's transcripts) . How will these remedial F's look on my apps? I am gunning for the T-14 mainly Harvard,and although I know this law school app process is a complete numbers game, those F's negatively stand out very clear from the rest of my transcript and look especially bad being that they're from remedial classes. Anyway can someone please tell me how this will affect my cycle. Will the top-tier schools (HYS CCN) look down on this and thus affect my cycle? Will this stand out as a red flag?

Dilemma?...lol

dukivich10 wrote:

bapelover800 wrote:I have a very important question that I would like someone with knowledge regarding this situation to answer as honest as possible.

Basically my freshman year I took a remedial math course in the fall semester which I failed (due to a stupid attendance policy which stated if you miss the class 3 times you fail), I took the course over again in the spring semester and failed it again. Long story short I have wised up since freshman year and now have a 3.8 LSAC gpa (despite those remedial 2 F's, my freshman year grades were decent, some C's and B's and a couple A's. Since then a 4.0 ever since) with a 165 on the LSATS and an African-American male who will be graduating from a state school and decent softs.

Although those 2 remedial F's dont count negatively against my GPA (and are not included in my LSAC summary report but are shown on my school's transcripts) . How will these remedial F's look on my apps? I am gunning for the T-14 mainly Harvard,and although I know this law school app process is a complete numbers game, those F's negatively stand out very clear from the rest of my transcript and look especially bad being that they're from remedial classes. Anyway can someone please tell me how this will affect my cycle. Will the top-tier schools (HYS CCN) look down on this and thus affect my cycle? Will this stand out as a red flag?

Dilemma?...lol

I don't see how this is a dilemma.

I don't think they will see those F's. What matters is the final GPA.

dukivich10 wrote:Dilemma?...lol

Yeah, I had this same reaction. I'm not seeing how these F's aren't affecting your LSAC GPA, but in any case, if those were in your freshman year I wouldn't worry about it. The upward trend to a 3.8 speaks for itself. Others might say to have an addendum regarding this (honestly, it is odd to fail the same class twice, so I could see why they would) but I wouldn't.

Also, your an AA with a 3.8 and a 165; there's no reason for you not to apply to all of the T14. URM cycles are unpredictable, (heck, mine was) so I'm not sure we're going to be much help here. That being said, I would be surprised if you hit the top 3 with a 165.

Oh, I thought the problem was that the caps lock button on your keyboard broke.

That's pretty funny.

Although those 2 remedial F's dont count negatively against my GPA

If they didn't ding your GPA, they will ding your LSDAS GPA - all college classes are taken into account for this regardless of whether they counted towards your GPA. With a 3.8 though, I don't think that you have any dilemma to worry about, even if it drops a little more on your LSDAS GPA.

You're not a lock at T6, but you will definitely land somewhere in the T14 next year.

esq wrote:

Although those 2 remedial F's dont count negatively against my GPA

If they didn't ding your GPA, they will ding your LSDAS GPA - all college classes are taken into account for this regardless of whether they counted towards your GPA. With a 3.8 though, I don't think that you have any dilemma to worry about, even if it drops a little more on your LSDAS GPA.

+1. OP, do you actually have your official LSDAS GPA yet? I am almost positive that your F's will be counted against you.

Remedial classes will not count if they are clearly stated as such on your transcript. Op is correct, it directly says this in the LSAC handbook IIRC.