Is the quality of education different at different tiers? Forum

[RandomInternetPerson]

Which state limits you to 2 attempts ?

[nixy]

How did you get from someone "reading" the law to working as a paralegal? Those aren't at all the same thing. Why are you worrying about whether paralegals can get jobs as lawyers?

Those are definitely different in practice, but in preparation, are they different in quality of preparation as a lawyer?

Well, one is designed to prepare you to practice law, and one is not, so yes. "Reading" the law is actually being an apprentice and learning the law - you have to be mentored/supervised by a JD who is actually training you. Being a paralegal is being a paralegal. And if we already have too many law schools, enough that basically everyone can find a school that will take them, I don't get why the goal is to close schools and reduce the number of grads so that paralegals can get hired as lawyers. That just doesn't make any sense.

Also, believe me, every law grad I've met is much smarter than the lawyer I was referencing.

Any humorous anecdotes?

None that wouldn't reveal too many details about actual cases.

[laanngo]

Which state limits you to 2 attempts ?

Not sure, merely googled it. Not really concerned with failing the bar twice.

[laanngo]

And if we already have too many law schools, enough that basically everyone can find a school that will take them,

Should everyone go to law school? for someone in a rural area it might be cheaper and more relevant to be an apprentice to a firm that caters to local needs than to pay 3 years of tuition to a law school and learn about areas of the law they won't need to apply in their line of work

Being a paralegal is being a paralegal.

much of the work overlaps. for example, a patent agent can actually go to trial

I don't get why the goal is to close schools and reduce the number of grads so that paralegals can get hired as lawyers.

I'm not saying paralegals deserve to be hired as lawyers in a legal reasoning or business ethics sense, but that doorway being a realistic possibility is better than the status quo, where your only option is to go to law school. consumer freedom⇨consumer surplus

Upon re-read I see that I misread your position on the bar. My mistake .

Even I'm not that stupid.

[nixy]

I do not get where any of this conversation is going. We don't need more lawyers, so there's no incentive to make it easier to practice law.

Also why do you keep equating patent agents with paralegals? And are you a paralegal, or a lawyer, that you can say how much being a paralegal overlaps with being a lawyer?

[laanngo]

Also why do you keep equating patent agents with paralegals? And are you a paralegal, or a lawyer, that you can say how much being a paralegal overlaps with being a lawyer?

Is a patent agent not a paralegal? if not, then I'm mistaken.

[RandomInternetPerson]

Also why do you keep equating patent agents with paralegals? And are you a paralegal, or a lawyer, that you can say how much being a paralegal overlaps with being a lawyer?

Is a patent agent not a paralegal? if not, then I'm mistaken.

You are mistaken

Even many lawyers do not qualify to be patent agents (albeit one can, and many are, both), it's a totally separate animal:
https://www.uspto.gov/learning-and-reso ... ctitioners

[RandomInternetPerson]

Which state limits you to 2 attempts ?

Not sure, merely googled it. Not really concerned with failing the bar twice.

If you googled it, wouldn't that have lead to a result? Isn't that how Google works?

[RandomInternetPerson]

Also why do you keep equating patent agents with paralegals? And are you a paralegal, or a lawyer, that you can say how much being a paralegal overlaps with being a lawyer?

Is a patent agent not a paralegal? if not, then I'm mistaken.

You are mistaken

Even many lawyers do not qualify to be patent agents (albeit one can, and many are, both), it's a totally separate animal:
https://www.uspto.gov/learning-and-reso ... ctitioners

I wanted to edit this one, but I guess it's too late to do that, so I will do the very odd act of quoting myself for reference on it instead. To cut off the "But I was asking Paralegals not lawyers" since I notice that my response was largely comparing those two. But yeah, they aren't Paralegals either. Some states have license requirements for paralegals but it's not really comparable. The duties are totally different as well. In some people's office a paralegal might be as hardcore as the cliche TV version, but many are closer to a legal a secretary to be honest too. Varies by the needs of the people that they work for. But by stretch of the imagination are Patent Agents and Paralegals the same thing. Just to be clear on that.

[laanngo]

If you googled it, wouldn't that have lead to a result? Isn't that how Google works?

Not state by state. it said 2-6

[RandomInternetPerson]

If you googled it, wouldn't that have lead to a result? Isn't that how Google works?

Not state by state. it said 2-6

https://www.ocregister.com/2007/07/27/u ... %20Roxanne.

[laanngo]

https://www.ocregister.com/2007/07/27/u ... %20Roxanne.

Where did she go to law school? Her linkedin doesn't mention. Did she read the bar?
Props to her for an unbeatable spirit.

[RandomInternetPerson]

https://www.ocregister.com/2007/07/27/u ... %20Roxanne.

Where did she go to law school? Her linkedin doesn't mention. Did she read the bar?
Props to her for an unbeatable spirit.

I believe that I read in another article years ago that she attended one of those unaccredited correspondence schools but I'm not 100 percent on that part. Point is, people repeat it a lot more than your prior assertions.

[nixy]

Her LinkedIn actually says she went to the University of West Los Angeles.

[RandomInternetPerson]

Her LinkedIn actually says she went to the University of West Los Angeles.

I stand corrected. I must have conflated her story with that if someone else
. Still a lot of bar attempts though is my main point .

[nixy]

Well it’s not an accredited school, so not far off.

[RandomInternetPerson]

Well it’s not an accredited school, so not far off.

That may be why I conflated it then. It is quasi-unethical IMHO how some obviously pick names which are clearly meant to confuse "simpler-minds" into thinking that they are another more respected school, in this case a state school.

[The Lsat Airbender]

Well it’s not an accredited school, so not far off.

That may be why I conflated it then. It is quasi-unethical IMHO how some obviously pick names which are clearly meant to confuse "simpler-minds" into thinking that they are another more respected school, in this case a state school.

I can see why'd you be upset about conspiracies against the simpler-minded.

[RandomInternetPerson]

Well it’s not an accredited school, so not far off.

That may be why I conflated it then. It is quasi-unethical IMHO how some obviously pick names which are clearly meant to confuse "simpler-minds" into thinking that they are another more respected school, in this case a state school.

I can see why'd you be upset about conspiracies against the simpler-minded.

Business Ethics.