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Harvard Law vs Uchicago Law+MPP
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:35 am
by soupymoose
Hi,
I am trying to decide between Harvard Law and Uchicago ($45,000 total). I am already 1/2 through a masters in Public Policy at UChicago. I'm hoping for advice and perspective on the decision. I've tried to make a list of pros/cons:
Pros:
UChicago: finish MPP/JD, smaller school = more contact with professors/mentors,
Harvard: it's home so I'd be studying while being close to friends&family, more competitive student body so I'd be pushed harder, it has more resources, larger alumni network
Cons:
UChicago: I don't love living in Chicago and 3 more years would be ugh
Harvard: I'd have to abandon my MPP, larger and more competitive student body means I'd have to be more successful to catch a professor's eye
In the end, living in Boston at home means I'd save as much $ as I would taking the UChicago scholarship. So it comes down to which school will set me up better for a clerkships after school, becoming a PI litigator, and eventually a government job in the long term. And that's balanced by the value of being in the perfect place to study for three years (which would be Boston=home). Any advice is immensely appreciated.
Re: Harvard Law vs Uchicago Law+MPP
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:40 am
by nimbus cloud
soupymoose wrote:
more competitive student body so I'd be pushed harder, it has more resources, larger alumni network
Harvard: I'd have to abandon my MPP, larger and more competitive student body means I'd have to be more successful to catch a professor's eye
I don't have an answer, but the above should not be a factor in your decision. They are peer schools with similar student body.
Re: Harvard Law vs Uchicago Law+MPP
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:44 am
by LoganCouture
If you can defer at HLS and finish your MPP first would that be a good option?
Re: Harvard Law vs Uchicago Law+MPP
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:46 pm
by jbagelboy
nimbus cloud wrote:soupymoose wrote:
more competitive student body so I'd be pushed harder, it has more resources, larger alumni network
Harvard: I'd have to abandon my MPP, larger and more competitive student body means I'd have to be more successful to catch a professor's eye
I don't have an answer, but the above should not be a factor in your decision. They are peer schools with similar student body.
this. neither school will have a more or less competitive student body. Harvard is larger, which has both advantages and disadvantages. But its not because of the students.
At equal cost, I would say Harvard; I'm not sure why you have to abandon your MPP, couldn't you finish it first and then matriculate to HLS? I'm sure you thought about this before you applied.
Re: Harvard Law vs Uchicago Law+MPP
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:03 pm
by Npret
I don't understand how someone who actually attend Chicago thinks Harvard is more competitive?
Go to Harvard if you want to live at home and you are so unhappy in Chicago.
Do you need the MPP? Why are you so quick to abandon it halfway through? What was your original plan? What changed?
How much are you going to owe?
Re: Harvard Law vs Uchicago Law+MPP
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:15 pm
by lawlorbust
Npret wrote:I don't understand how someone who actually attend Chicago thinks Harvard is more competitive?
Go to Harvard if you want to live at home and you are so unhappy in Chicago.
Do you need the MPP? Why are you so quick to abandon it halfway through? What was your original plan? What changed?
How much are you going to owe?
I mean, there are two fairly common definitions of "competitive." "Competitive" in the sense of gunners / sharks who will murder you to help their curve; versus "more competitive" as in qualitatively better. I naturally assumed OP meant the latter?
Re: Harvard Law vs Uchicago Law+MPP
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:21 pm
by ashterlily
Harris has traditionally been willing to grant an A.M. in Public Policy to individuals who leave the M.P.P. after the first year once the other graduate degree is conferred. I'd double check with the administration that this is still the case, but it's more than likley still the policy.
Re: Harvard Law vs Uchicago Law+MPP
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:26 pm
by Npret
lawlorbust wrote:Npret wrote:I don't understand how someone who actually attend Chicago thinks Harvard is more competitive?
Go to Harvard if you want to live at home and you are so unhappy in Chicago.
Do you need the MPP? Why are you so quick to abandon it halfway through? What was your original plan? What changed?
How much are you going to owe?
I mean, there are two fairly common definitions of "competitive." "Competitive" in the sense of gunners / sharks who will murder you to help their curve; versus "more competitive" as in qualitatively better. I naturally assumed OP meant the latter?
Yes, I get that and I don't understand why he thinks Harvard's students are qualitatively better than Chicago's.
At any rate, he's homesick so I think no chance he stays in Chicago. Plus being from Boston maybe Harvard is a dream school.
Re: Harvard Law vs Uchicago Law+MPP
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:28 pm
by lawlorbust
Lol ok
Re: Harvard Law vs Uchicago Law+MPP
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:50 pm
by soupymoose
jbagelboy wrote:nimbus cloud wrote:soupymoose wrote:
more competitive student body so I'd be pushed harder, it has more resources, larger alumni network
Harvard: I'd have to abandon my MPP, larger and more competitive student body means I'd have to be more successful to catch a professor's eye
I don't have an answer, but the above should not be a factor in your decision. They are peer schools with similar student body.
this. neither school will have a more or less competitive student body. Harvard is larger, which has both advantages and disadvantages. But its not because of the students.
At equal cost, I would say Harvard; I'm not sure why you have to abandon your MPP, couldn't you finish it first and then matriculate to HLS? I'm sure you thought about this before you applied.
Thanks for the reply. In regards to "competition" I'm referring to the culture stereotype Harvard has for having competitive students; I always thought that mentality was good preparation for law. If ppl think that's overrated, you'll have given me great advice!
As for deferral, that depends on ability to finance. It's an open possibility that I'll decide on after sorting out the relative comparison of the two schools. Thanks for responding, all.
Re: Harvard Law vs Uchicago Law+MPP
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:11 pm
by Rigo
Negotiate with Chicago. If MPP weren't a factor, I would probably choose H at that price differential.
I'm confused about the MPP. Do you want to finish this? I would if I were you but I'm stubborn about finishing things I started.
If you want an MPP, I would probably try to get a Harvard deferral unless Chicago gave me more money.
One thing to consider is the cost for another year of the MPP. That's extra debt that won't eligible for Harvard's LRAP.
Does UChi offer a joint JD/MPP? If you get on that will the MPP debt qualify for UChi's LRAP? I know Harvard lets the Kennedy school joint JD/MPP students roll all debt onto LIPP (not that that would help you, but maybe Chicago could do the same thing for you). If you got into Stanford (I know you didn't mention this) I'd really, really take another look at them since they are unique in graduate school debt being included in their LRAP.
I could see staying at UChi for consistency and ease's sake where you can finish your MPP as well. Talk to them about their LRAP too. See if it works for you. You're going to have a ton of debt either way.
You'll likely pay more out of pocket costs over 10 years on LIPP, but you'll have the flexibility to take non-legal government jobs and still qualify.
TLDR: I'd try to defer H for a year unless UChi gives you more money.
If you choose to finish the MPP, consider just withdrawing at both schools, retaking the LSAT, and reapplying next year. You'll have a good excuse for why you held off on law school for a year and will be able to all around better your financial situation with a bigger CCN scholly.
Good luck.
Re: Harvard Law vs Uchicago Law+MPP
Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:40 pm
by landshoes
soupymoose wrote:jbagelboy wrote:nimbus cloud wrote:soupymoose wrote:
more competitive student body so I'd be pushed harder, it has more resources, larger alumni network
Harvard: I'd have to abandon my MPP, larger and more competitive student body means I'd have to be more successful to catch a professor's eye
I don't have an answer, but the above should not be a factor in your decision. They are peer schools with similar student body.
this. neither school will have a more or less competitive student body. Harvard is larger, which has both advantages and disadvantages. But its not because of the students.
At equal cost, I would say Harvard; I'm not sure why you have to abandon your MPP, couldn't you finish it first and then matriculate to HLS? I'm sure you thought about this before you applied.
Thanks for the reply. In regards to "competition" I'm referring to the culture stereotype Harvard has for having competitive students; I always thought that mentality was good preparation for law. If ppl think that's overrated, you'll have given me great advice!
As for deferral, that depends on ability to finance. It's an open possibility that I'll decide on after sorting out the relative comparison of the two schools. Thanks for responding, all.
I don't think this is true. A lot of legal work involves collaborating with people in high-stress situations. And the professors and the grading system here mean that you can challenge yourself academically.
Re: Harvard Law vs Uchicago Law+MPP
Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:47 pm
by presidentspivey
landshoes wrote:soupymoose wrote:jbagelboy wrote:nimbus cloud wrote:soupymoose wrote:
more competitive student body so I'd be pushed harder, it has more resources, larger alumni network
Harvard: I'd have to abandon my MPP, larger and more competitive student body means I'd have to be more successful to catch a professor's eye
I don't have an answer, but the above should not be a factor in your decision. They are peer schools with similar student body.
this. neither school will have a more or less competitive student body. Harvard is larger, which has both advantages and disadvantages. But its not because of the students.
At equal cost, I would say Harvard; I'm not sure why you have to abandon your MPP, couldn't you finish it first and then matriculate to HLS? I'm sure you thought about this before you applied.
Thanks for the reply. In regards to "competition" I'm referring to the culture stereotype Harvard has for having competitive students; I always thought that mentality was good preparation for law. If ppl think that's overrated, you'll have given me great advice!
As for deferral, that depends on ability to finance. It's an open possibility that I'll decide on after sorting out the relative comparison of the two schools. Thanks for responding, all.
I don't think this is true. A lot of legal work involves collaborating with people in high-stress situations. And the professors and the grading system here mean that you can challenge yourself academically.
I probably wouldn't abandon your MPP, particularly considering it's from a great school. I agree with the deferral advice above. A deferral for completing an MPP from an elite institution doesn't sound like something H would deny.
Re: Harvard Law vs Uchicago Law+MPP
Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:01 pm
by Nebby
Chicago
Re: Harvard Law vs Uchicago Law+MPP
Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:32 pm
by jawsjawsjaws
Rigo wrote:
TLDR: I'd try to defer H for a year unless UChi gives you more money.