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very, very poor odds.greatspirit wrote:Looking for five non-T14 schools to apply to, that give me a fair shot at NYC biglaw. So far have Fordham as a definite.
Thoughts on Villanova for NYC Biglaw?
cavalier1138 wrote:No realistic chance of biglaw from Villanova, especially in NYC. But you'd know that from looking at the employment reports. So it seems like you're really just looking for people to validate your decision to not shoot for schools that actually give you a shot at biglaw.
Harsh but true. OP, your options are limited. Fordham is a good choice with a good scholarship ( > half tuition). I would shoot an app to Cornell, but if you got in you'd probably be at sticker, which is not good.trebekismyhero wrote:If you want big law in NYC you need to go to a t14. Vandy, Fordham, probably UT and WUSTL will give you a shot, but not to the point that it is worth going to those schools if big law is your ultimate goal.
The answer to your question all depends on what you consider a "fair shot" at NYC BL. Fordham gives you about a 1/3 chance at BL, the next best schools in NY would be Cardozo and Brooklyn which gives you about a 1/6 at worst to a 1/4 chance of getting BL at best. If you aren't BL or bust but are open to the idea(honestly you probably should be open to multiple practice areas going into law school, it aggravates me t no end seeing people telling 0L's that they should know exactly what kind of law they want going into LS when they don't know anything about the various practice areas)Same odds at SJU but they give out almost exclusively bad conditional scholarships. Outside of those 7 schools there really is nowhere in NY worth attending law school at for people who want BL. Outside of the T14 or NYC T's and TT's though no school will give you more than a lottery chance at BL in NYC(5-10% at best). Also applying late has probably hurt you a bit in regards to the scholly money you will receive.greatspirit wrote:Looking for five non-T14 schools to apply to, that give me a fair shot at NYC biglaw. So far have Fordham as a definite.
Thoughts on Villanova for NYC Biglaw?
OP was the Tulane guy...? jeezus.Gitaroo_Dude wrote:Probably as poor a shot as Tulane would give you.
OP, I think you need to do some serious self-reflection and ask yourself why you're pursuing law school. Your goal seems to be NYC biglaw, but the schools you're asking about give off the impression you either want to have fun for three years (well, Tulane at least, not so much 'Nova) or that you're not willing to get the LSAT score necessary to secure a decent shot at NYC biglaw.
Thank you for the informative, and non-condescending answer.dm1683 wrote:cavalier1138 wrote:No realistic chance of biglaw from Villanova, especially in NYC. But you'd know that from looking at the employment reports. So it seems like you're really just looking for people to validate your decision to not shoot for schools that actually give you a shot at biglaw.Harsh but true. OP, your options are limited. Fordham is a good choice with a good scholarship ( > half tuition). I would shoot an app to Cornell, but if you got in you'd probably be at sticker, which is not good.trebekismyhero wrote:If you want big law in NYC you need to go to a t14. Vandy, Fordham, probably UT and WUSTL will give you a shot, but not to the point that it is worth going to those schools if big law is your ultimate goal.
Maybe try Cardozo? They should give you a full ride if you got into Fordham. Other than that, yeah, Vanderbilt, Emory, BU, ND, GWU, WUSTL etc. are your best bets. Don't go to any of these at sticker though.
If you go to any of these schools except Cornell you have to be comfortable with the possibility (and in some cases, probability) of not landing biglaw.
HTH.
Ferrisjso wrote:The answer to your question all depends on what you consider a "fair shot" at NYC BL. Fordham gives you about a 1/3 chance at BL, the next best schools in NY would be Cardozo and Brooklyn which gives you about a 1/6 at worst to a 1/4 chance of getting BL at best. If you aren't BL or bust but are open to the idea(honestly you probably should be open to multiple practice areas going into law school, it aggravates me t no end seeing people telling 0L's that they should know exactly what kind of law they want going into LS when they don't know anything about the various practice areas)Same odds at SJU but they give out almost exclusively bad conditional scholarships. Outside of those 7 schools there really is nowhere in NY worth attending law school at for people who want BL. Outside of the T14 or NYC T's and TT's though no school will give you more than a lottery chance at BL in NYC(5-10% at best). Also applying late has probably hurt you a bit in regards to the scholly money you will receive.greatspirit wrote:Looking for five non-T14 schools to apply to, that give me a fair shot at NYC biglaw. So far have Fordham as a definite.
Thoughts on Villanova for NYC Biglaw?
I try to be more optimistic than most on here but yeah you have next to no chance of getting NYC BL from Villanova. Villanova should only be a school you apply to if you want to work and live in PA.
timbs4339 wrote:Texas, Vandy, Emory, USC, Fordham.
You do realize that there's definitely a shot at NYC BL from Vandy right? Not as good as T14, but still not terribleURMSenator52 wrote:timbs4339 wrote:Texas, Vandy, Emory, USC, Fordham.
Lol no chance of NYC big law with any of the underlined above. Your best chances for NY big law outside the T14. Are GW,Cardozo,St.Johns,Brooklyn,American,Fordham.
To have a good chance at NY Big Law, you should at the very least go to school on the east coast/DMV area. Temple and Nova are good for Philly big law. Since all the Penn Grads also flock to NY,with Cornelly,NYU and CLS. With a few H grads too, NYC Big Law market is saturated with T-14 Schools.
A shot meaning an OCI bid? Yes with not a very big shot getting an SA position. Vandy and Texas law market is in the south. Primarily in the Texas,Florida,Tennessee,Mississippi areas lol. Definitely a higher chance of southern big law lol...mrgstephe wrote:You do realize that there's definitely a shot at NYC BL from Vandy right? Not as good as T14, but still not terribleURMSenator52 wrote:timbs4339 wrote:Texas, Vandy, Emory, USC, Fordham.
Lol no chance of NYC big law with any of the underlined above. Your best chances for NY big law outside the T14. Are GW,Cardozo,St.Johns,Brooklyn,American,Fordham.
To have a good chance at NY Big Law, you should at the very least go to school on the east coast/DMV area. Temple and Nova are good for Philly big law. Since all the Penn Grads also flock to NY,with Cornelly,NYU and CLS. With a few H grads too, NYC Big Law market is saturated with T-14 Schools.
Vandy is not the best idea for NYC Biglaw, but "an OCI bid" is an exaggeration. Especially because Southern markets are smaller, there's a good amount of people from Vandy where NYC is their best option.URMSenator52 wrote:A shot meaning an OCI bid,yes with not a very big shot getting an SA position. Vandy and Texas grad market is in the south. Primarily in the Texas,Florida,Tennessee,Mississippi areas lol. Definitely a higher chance of southern big law lol...mrgstephe wrote:You do realize that there's definitely a shot at NYC BL from Vandy right? Not as good as T14, but still not terribleURMSenator52 wrote:timbs4339 wrote:Texas, Vandy, Emory, USC, Fordham.
Lol no chance of NYC big law with any of the underlined above. Your best chances for NY big law outside the T14. Are GW,Cardozo,St.Johns,Brooklyn,American,Fordham.
To have a good chance at NY Big Law, you should at the very least go to school on the east coast/DMV area. Temple and Nova are good for Philly big law. Since all the Penn Grads also flock to NY,with Cornelly,NYU and CLS. With a few H grads too, NYC Big Law market is saturated with T-14 Schools.
Exactly what I said. Having read URM's most recent activity, they seem to not be super well informed.Winter is Coming wrote:Vandy is not the best idea for NYC Biglaw, but "an OCI bid" is an exaggeration. Especially because Southern markets are smaller, there's a good amount of people from Vandy where NYC is their best option.URMSenator52 wrote:A shot meaning an OCI bid,yes with not a very big shot getting an SA position. Vandy and Texas grad market is in the south. Primarily in the Texas,Florida,Tennessee,Mississippi areas lol. Definitely a higher chance of southern big law lol...mrgstephe wrote:You do realize that there's definitely a shot at NYC BL from Vandy right? Not as good as T14, but still not terribleURMSenator52 wrote:timbs4339 wrote:Texas, Vandy, Emory, USC, Fordham.
Lol no chance of NYC big law with any of the underlined above. Your best chances for NY big law outside the T14. Are GW,Cardozo,St.Johns,Brooklyn,American,Fordham.
To have a good chance at NY Big Law, you should at the very least go to school on the east coast/DMV area. Temple and Nova are good for Philly big law. Since all the Penn Grads also flock to NY,with Cornelly,NYU and CLS. With a few H grads too, NYC Big Law market is saturated with T-14 Schools.
No. Just... no.URMSenator52 wrote:A shot meaning an OCI bid? Yes with not a very big shot getting an SA position. Vandy and Texas law market is in the south. Primarily in the Texas,Florida,Tennessee,Mississippi areas lol. Definitely a higher chance of southern big law lol...mrgstephe wrote:You do realize that there's definitely a shot at NYC BL from Vandy right? Not as good as T14, but still not terribleURMSenator52 wrote:timbs4339 wrote:Texas, Vandy, Emory, USC, Fordham.
Lol no chance of NYC big law with any of the underlined above. Your best chances for NY big law outside the T14. Are GW,Cardozo,St.Johns,Brooklyn,American,Fordham.
To have a good chance at NY Big Law, you should at the very least go to school on the east coast/DMV area. Temple and Nova are good for Philly big law. Since all the Penn Grads also flock to NY,with Cornelly,NYU and CLS. With a few H grads too, NYC Big Law market is saturated with T-14 Schools.
I think maybe just dumb. They also recently made the claim that GULC's OCI is unequivocally better than H/S.cavalier1138 wrote:No. Just... no.URMSenator52 wrote:A shot meaning an OCI bid? Yes with not a very big shot getting an SA position. Vandy and Texas law market is in the south. Primarily in the Texas,Florida,Tennessee,Mississippi areas lol. Definitely a higher chance of southern big law lol...mrgstephe wrote:You do realize that there's definitely a shot at NYC BL from Vandy right? Not as good as T14, but still not terribleURMSenator52 wrote:timbs4339 wrote:Texas, Vandy, Emory, USC, Fordham.
Lol no chance of NYC big law with any of the underlined above. Your best chances for NY big law outside the T14. Are GW,Cardozo,St.Johns,Brooklyn,American,Fordham.
To have a good chance at NY Big Law, you should at the very least go to school on the east coast/DMV area. Temple and Nova are good for Philly big law. Since all the Penn Grads also flock to NY,with Cornelly,NYU and CLS. With a few H grads too, NYC Big Law market is saturated with T-14 Schools.
Yes, Vanderbilt has more of a presence in the South. No, St. John's is not a better school for NY biglaw than Vanderbilt. I mean, seriously? You're ranking Saint John's, Brooklyn, and American more favorably than Vanderbilt? Are you high?
All reasonable questions but in location value yes ST.Johns/American/Dozo/Brooklyn >> Vandy Candy. GULC in location value >>> H/S. Maybe your just a basic southern gent. That can hang out East?mrgstephe wrote:I think maybe just dumb. They also recently made the claim that GULC's OCI is unequivocally better than H/S.cavalier1138 wrote:No. Just... no.URMSenator52 wrote:A shot meaning an OCI bid? Yes with not a very big shot getting an SA position. Vandy and Texas law market is in the south. Primarily in the Texas,Florida,Tennessee,Mississippi areas lol. Definitely a higher chance of southern big law lol...mrgstephe wrote:You do realize that there's definitely a shot at NYC BL from Vandy right? Not as good as T14, but still not terribleURMSenator52 wrote:timbs4339 wrote:Texas, Vandy, Emory, USC, Fordham.
Lol no chance of NYC big law with any of the underlined above. Your best chances for NY big law outside the T14. Are GW,Cardozo,St.Johns,Brooklyn,American,Fordham.
To have a good chance at NY Big Law, you should at the very least go to school on the east coast/DMV area. Temple and Nova are good for Philly big law. Since all the Penn Grads also flock to NY,with Cornelly,NYU and CLS. With a few H grads too, NYC Big Law market is saturated with T-14 Schools.
Yes, Vanderbilt has more of a presence in the South. No, St. John's is not a better school for NY biglaw than Vanderbilt. I mean, seriously? You're ranking Saint John's, Brooklyn, and American more favorably than Vanderbilt? Are you high?
They also asked if there was a Walmart within a reasonable distance from Howard.
If you're going to troll, at least try to be a credible troll. No one is this objectively stupid.URMSenator52 wrote: All reasonable questions but in location value yes ST.Johns/American/Dozo/Brooklyn >> Vandy Candy. GULC in location value >>> H/S. Maybe your just a basic southern gent. That can hang out East?