Paying Full Sticker if...
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:15 pm
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Colonel_funkadunk wrote:there is a big difference between paying sticker at at14T6, maybe, and paying sticker at indiana tech (rip ft wayne). context matters here
strong edit, thats legitCapitol_Idea wrote:Colonel_funkadunk wrote:there is a big difference between paying sticker at at14T6, maybe, and paying sticker at indiana tech (rip ft wayne). context matters here
This is where I personally disagree. I'd rather go to Michigan, Virginia at $$$ or CCN at $$ than pay sticker at HYS, but I'm also debt-adverse and I consider my undergrad (Northwestern) to be my dream school. I also don't believe HYS open up more doors in the long-run (unless we are talking about SCOTUS). The matter of the fact is that for the most part the best students go to the best schools (hence Yales 85%+ yield rate). Logically, if the best students are going to the best schools, then the best schools are going to have the best outcomes. This is all to say that I don't think the education in the T14 varies in quality and that if you're a superstar, you're going to get into those magical doors regardless of where you went in the T14 (or even a few schools outside of the T14). Yale doesn't have more SCOTUS clerks than Georgetown, because SCOTUS has more slots saved for Yale. Yale is simply filled with superstars, while maybe the top 10% of Georgetown are superstars.armc808 wrote:I would absolutely pay sticker for Stanford (my dream law school), because, well, a Stanford degree opens up so many doors that debt won't be too big of a problem in the long run.
sjs12 wrote:I responded to your question in my last post.existentialcrisis wrote:Almost certainly not, but also I don't really get the idea of a "dream law school." What are your career goals?
Dream school = I have a family connection, I absolutely love the city (grew up nearby), everyone I know there loves it, will be way more academically challenging than the state school I went to for undergrad, and honestly a million other things that would take forever for me to list. It's also by far the best school I've gotten into so far, and with my current LSAT score I'm not sure I'll get in anywhere better. From the moment I stepped on campus as a young girl, I knew I wanted to go there, and when I visited this fall, it immediately felt like home to me.
I know, that all sounds incredibly cheesy and idealistic. Sorry.
The only things that should matter in a law school should be its cost and its odds of getting you the job you want. If you're independently wealthy then cost matters less (but still ought to matter to you). If you're not wealthy than you should be very worried about taking out hundreds of thousands of dollars in non dischargeable debt to attend a school that doesn't give you great odds of getting a job that would allow you to service that debt.sjs12 wrote:I responded to your question in my last post.existentialcrisis wrote:Almost certainly not, but also I don't really get the idea of a "dream law school." What are your career goals?
Dream school = I have a family connection, I absolutely love the city (grew up nearby), everyone I know there loves it, will be way more academically challenging than the state school I went to for undergrad, and honestly a million other things that would take forever for me to list. It's also by far the best school I've gotten into so far, and with my current LSAT score I'm not sure I'll get in anywhere better. From the moment I stepped on campus as a young girl, I knew I wanted to go there, and when I visited this fall, it immediately felt like home to me.
I know, that all sounds incredibly cheesy and idealistic. Sorry.
OP said this in a previous reply:existentialcrisis wrote:The only things that should matter in a law school should be its cost and its odds of getting you the job you want. If you're independently wealthy then cost matters less (but still ought to matter to you). If you're not wealthy than you should be very worried about taking out hundreds of thousands of dollars in non dischargeable debt to attend a school that doesn't give you great odds of getting a job that would allow you to service that debt.sjs12 wrote:I responded to your question in my last post.existentialcrisis wrote:Almost certainly not, but also I don't really get the idea of a "dream law school." What are your career goals?
Dream school = I have a family connection, I absolutely love the city (grew up nearby), everyone I know there loves it, will be way more academically challenging than the state school I went to for undergrad, and honestly a million other things that would take forever for me to list. It's also by far the best school I've gotten into so far, and with my current LSAT score I'm not sure I'll get in anywhere better. From the moment I stepped on campus as a young girl, I knew I wanted to go there, and when I visited this fall, it immediately felt like home to me.
I know, that all sounds incredibly cheesy and idealistic. Sorry.
What are your career goals? Big law, small firm, public interest?
I'm not saying you wouldn't have many options available by going to CCN or UVA, they are all excellent schools; however I think it's undeniable that a HYS degree opens up pretty much anything you want--including SCOTUS, which does mean a lot to me--on a level that schools below HYS can't quite match, and that's what I was getting at. They are the considered the best schools in the country (and the world) for a reason, and no matter how one slices it, a Stanford degree on its own carries a bit more weight than a Northwestern degree on its own. It's not a knock on Northwestern, but it is to say that Stanford is a very, very respected school. Personally speaking, Stanford checks off every single box I could possibly think of for a school, and I think I would really enjoy my time there, hence why I'd attend even if I had to pay sticker and accumulate some debt in the short run.RedPurpleBlue wrote:This is where I personally disagree. I'd rather go to Michigan, Virginia at $$$ or CCN at $$ than pay sticker at HYS, but I'm also debt-adverse and I consider my undergrad (Northwestern) to be my dream school. I also don't believe HYS open up more doors in the long-run (unless we are talking about SCOTUS). The matter of the fact is that for the most part the best students go to the best schools (hence Yales 85%+ yield rate). Logically, if the best students are going to the best schools, then the best schools are going to have the best outcomes. This is all to say that I don't think the education in the T14 varies in quality and that if you're a superstar, you're going to get into those magical doors regardless of where you went in the T14 (or even a few schools outside of the T14). Yale doesn't have more SCOTUS clerks than Georgetown, because SCOTUS has more slots saved for Yale. Yale is simply filled with superstars, while maybe the top 10% of Georgetown are superstars.armc808 wrote:I would absolutely pay sticker for Stanford (my dream law school), because, well, a Stanford degree opens up so many doors that debt won't be too big of a problem in the long run.
Just my $0.02.
No one is saying you should.sjs12 wrote:I agree that's by far the most important, but my happiness does matter to me as well, and I don't want to be totally miserable for three years at a school I don't love in a city or town that I hate.existentialcrisis wrote:The only things that should matter in a law school should be its cost and its odds of getting you the job you want. If you're independently wealthy then cost matters less (but still ought to matter to you). If you're not wealthy than you should be very worried about taking out hundreds of thousands of dollars in non dischargeable debt to attend a school that doesn't give you great odds of getting a job that would allow you to service that debt.sjs12 wrote:I responded to your question in my last post.existentialcrisis wrote:Almost certainly not, but also I don't really get the idea of a "dream law school." What are your career goals?
Dream school = I have a family connection, I absolutely love the city (grew up nearby), everyone I know there loves it, will be way more academically challenging than the state school I went to for undergrad, and honestly a million other things that would take forever for me to list. It's also by far the best school I've gotten into so far, and with my current LSAT score I'm not sure I'll get in anywhere better. From the moment I stepped on campus as a young girl, I knew I wanted to go there, and when I visited this fall, it immediately felt like home to me.
I know, that all sounds incredibly cheesy and idealistic. Sorry.
What are your career goals? Big law, small firm, public interest?
Would saying at least what school you're referring to give you away? Is it the only school in the area? I totally get not wanting to be in a city you don't like for three years. I have quite mixed feelings about where I attended UG. But I feel like you're almost being TOO vague to get advice lol.sjs12 wrote:I agree that's by far the most important, but my happiness does matter to me as well, and I don't want to be totally miserable for three years at a school I don't love in a city or town that I hate.existentialcrisis wrote:The only things that should matter in a law school should be its cost and its odds of getting you the job you want. If you're independently wealthy then cost matters less (but still ought to matter to you). If you're not wealthy than you should be very worried about taking out hundreds of thousands of dollars in non dischargeable debt to attend a school that doesn't give you great odds of getting a job that would allow you to service that debt.sjs12 wrote:I responded to your question in my last post.existentialcrisis wrote:Almost certainly not, but also I don't really get the idea of a "dream law school." What are your career goals?
Dream school = I have a family connection, I absolutely love the city (grew up nearby), everyone I know there loves it, will be way more academically challenging than the state school I went to for undergrad, and honestly a million other things that would take forever for me to list. It's also by far the best school I've gotten into so far, and with my current LSAT score I'm not sure I'll get in anywhere better. From the moment I stepped on campus as a young girl, I knew I wanted to go there, and when I visited this fall, it immediately felt like home to me.
I know, that all sounds incredibly cheesy and idealistic. Sorry.
What are your career goals? Big law, small firm, public interest?
I think you should wait and see what happens with the other schools before you decide on paying 100% out of pocket.sjs12 wrote:It's the only decent school in my state, and the only other good schools in the entire geographical area (Midwest), I'm not sure I could get into (lower T14), though I did apply.brinicolec wrote:Would saying at least what school you're referring to give you away? Is it the only school in the area? I totally get not wanting to be in a city you don't like for three years. I have quite mixed feelings about where I attended UG. But I feel like you're almost being TOO vague to get advice lol.sjs12 wrote:I agree that's by far the most important, but my happiness does matter to me as well, and I don't want to be totally miserable for three years at a school I don't love in a city or town that I hate.existentialcrisis wrote:The only things that should matter in a law school should be its cost and its odds of getting you the job you want. If you're independently wealthy then cost matters less (but still ought to matter to you). If you're not wealthy than you should be very worried about taking out hundreds of thousands of dollars in non dischargeable debt to attend a school that doesn't give you great odds of getting a job that would allow you to service that debt.sjs12 wrote:I responded to your question in my last post.existentialcrisis wrote:Almost certainly not, but also I don't really get the idea of a "dream law school." What are your career goals?
Dream school = I have a family connection, I absolutely love the city (grew up nearby), everyone I know there loves it, will be way more academically challenging than the state school I went to for undergrad, and honestly a million other things that would take forever for me to list. It's also by far the best school I've gotten into so far, and with my current LSAT score I'm not sure I'll get in anywhere better. From the moment I stepped on campus as a young girl, I knew I wanted to go there, and when I visited this fall, it immediately felt like home to me.
I know, that all sounds incredibly cheesy and idealistic. Sorry.
What are your career goals? Big law, small firm, public interest?