Outcome from W&M - no ties
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 12:29 pm
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How did you score on the LSAT?spqr351 wrote:I applied to W&M on a lark, and they offered me a pretty substantial scholarship. I looked more into the school and have liked what I've seen.
My question is, what are the outcomes for a student with no VA ties? I wouldn't mind living in regular Virginia or NOVA. Is Big Fed accessible to W&M grads? Is it more accessible from W&M than it would be from my home-state T30 across the country?
My uGPA pretty much precludes the T14 with money, even if my LSAT could maybe get me in at some of the lower ones. As I have zero desire for Big Law, a T30 with a scholarship is my best option.
Their 50% median salary for bar passage jobs is $65,000. Also, everyone will be working their ass off in law school. That alone won't guarantee that you get good grades. W&M is fine if you want to be in VA and have minimal debt. People just have to understand that big law isn't likely. Of course it can happen, but you can't count on being top 25% let alone top 10%.mrtux45 wrote:I think Trebek makes prospects sound bleaker than they really are. Check this link:
https://www.lstreports.com/schools/wm/sals/more/
Obviously W&M isn't keeping pace with T14 schools in terms of placement and starting salaries. But if you went there with minimal debt and worked your ass off for good grades, I'd be willing to bet things would work out.
Disclaimer: I'm a 0L, so the above advice is the best of my understanding.
Can this be the forum slogan?BigZuck wrote:Dude 0Ls shouldn't go around saying "Just do get good grades bro"
A lot easier said than done.mrtux45 wrote:I think Trebek makes prospects sound bleaker than they really are. Check this link:
https://www.lstreports.com/schools/wm/sals/more/
Obviously W&M isn't keeping pace with T14 schools in terms of placement and starting salaries. But if you went there with minimal debt and worked your ass off for good grades, I'd be willing to bet things would work out.
Disclaimer: I'm a 0L, so the above advice is the best of my understanding.
trebekismyhero wrote:People just have to understand that big law isn't likely. Of course it can happen, but you can't count on being top 25% let alone top 10%.
- Lawyer in biglaw that did not go to a t14
spqr351 wrote:As I have zero desire for Big Law, a T30 with a scholarship is my best option.
Same holds true for BigFed as Big Law. It was about the likeliest outcome would belawman84 wrote:trebekismyhero wrote:People just have to understand that big law isn't likely. Of course it can happen, but you can't count on being top 25% let alone top 10%.
- Lawyer in biglaw that did not go to a t14spqr351 wrote:As I have zero desire for Big Law, a T30 with a scholarship is my best option.
Lots of this doesn't matter even if true. I also suspect that lots of it is not true.spqr351 wrote:I just got back from visiting a family friend in his office at ASU. I told him my dilemma choosing between ASU and UA, and he told me that the debt differential between the schools makes no question in his mind: ASU (60k@UA vs. 75k@ASU). He told me ASU is on the rise, and he expects it to stay in the T30 in the future, maybe yo-yo-ing between 20 and 30 like BU and Emory. He also said that UA is desperate, and he expects it to take a huge dive in the near future, like W&L and UIUC. One of the biggest things he plugged was ASU's location in downtown Phoenix, as that's where 90% of the the good jobs are... he said that OCI at ASU is pretty good for the top 25%, and the top 75% usually have no problem finding a job if they hustle, and the new location already seems to be making a difference. As to how Phoenix-area employers big and small look at ASU vs the T14, he said the T6 have the same access to the Phoenix market as ASU, but the lower T14 don't come anywhere near it. He even went so far as to say that the bottom 50% of HYSCCN classes are no better off in AZ than the top ~25% at ASU, and in many ways are in a worse spot due to lack of access.
It's nice to have an office like four blocks away from the school, so on slow days like today I could just pop on over and look around. This guy is a family friend, and I believe him. As he said, he "doesn't get any commission from this."
I wouldn't call BigFed a likely outcome anywhere. Thus, I'd advise the OP to go to the law school where he gets the best scholarship offer in a region he'd like to practice in.trebekismyhero wrote:Same holds true for BigFed as Big Law. It was about the likeliest outcome would belawman84 wrote:trebekismyhero wrote:People just have to understand that big law isn't likely. Of course it can happen, but you can't count on being top 25% let alone top 10%.
- Lawyer in biglaw that did not go to a t14spqr351 wrote:As I have zero desire for Big Law, a T30 with a scholarship is my best option.
Yeah, of course. As long as it's an appropriate cost.zot1 wrote:Well, ASU is fine if OP is from AZ and wants to work there after graduation.
Of course.BigZuck wrote:Yeah, of course. As long as it's an appropriate cost.zot1 wrote:Well, ASU is fine if OP is from AZ and wants to work there after graduation.
Wait, how did we end up in Phoenix?spqr351 wrote:I just got back from visiting a family friend in his office at ASU. I told him my dilemma choosing between ASU and UA, and he told me that the debt differential between the schools makes no question in his mind: ASU (60k@UA vs. 75k@ASU). He told me ASU is on the rise, and he expects it to stay in the T30 in the future, maybe yo-yo-ing between 20 and 30 like BU and Emory. He also said that UA is desperate, and he expects it to take a huge dive in the near future, like W&L and UIUC. One of the biggest things he plugged was ASU's location in downtown Phoenix, as that's where 90% of the the good jobs are... he said that OCI at ASU is pretty good for the top 25%, and the top 75% usually have no problem finding a job if they hustle, and the new location already seems to be making a difference. As to how Phoenix-area employers big and small look at ASU vs the T14, he said the T6 have the same access to the Phoenix market as ASU, but the lower T14 don't come anywhere near it. He even went so far as to say that the bottom 50% of HYSCCN classes are no better off in AZ than the top ~25% at ASU, and in many ways are in a worse spot due to lack of access.
It's nice to have an office like four blocks away from the school, so on slow days like today I could just pop on over and look around. This guy is a family friend, and I believe him. As he said, he "doesn't get any commission from this."
Well, I meant to send this as a PM to somebody else, so this is certainly very embarrassing.cavalier1138 wrote:
Wait, how did we end up in Phoenix?
It is at a good cost, and I'm from Arizona. Also I'm embarrassed because this was meant as a PM. At least this accidental post wasn't something actually harmful.zot1 wrote:Of course.BigZuck wrote:Yeah, of course. As long as it's an appropriate cost.zot1 wrote:Well, ASU is fine if OP is from AZ and wants to work there after graduation.
Did you read what I wrote? That is basically what I and everyone else said. The other stuff was in response to a post from the 0L.lawman84 wrote:I wouldn't call BigFed a likely outcome anywhere. Thus, I'd advise the OP to go to the law school where he gets the best scholarship offer in a region he'd like to practice in.trebekismyhero wrote:Same holds true for BigFed as Big Law. It was about the likeliest outcome would belawman84 wrote:trebekismyhero wrote:People just have to understand that big law isn't likely. Of course it can happen, but you can't count on being top 25% let alone top 10%.
- Lawyer in biglaw that did not go to a t14spqr351 wrote:As I have zero desire for Big Law, a T30 with a scholarship is my best option.
OP, if W&M is offering you the lowest cost and you want to practice in Virginia, it's an option strongly worth considering.
Yes. I read what you wrote. I read the entire thread. You gave helpful answers to OP in your first couple of posts. Then the conservation devolved into some irrelevant argument with a 0L over biglaw.trebekismyhero wrote:Did you read what I wrote? That is basically what I and everyone else said. The other stuff was in response to a post from the 0L.lawman84 wrote:I wouldn't call BigFed a likely outcome anywhere. Thus, I'd advise the OP to go to the law school where he gets the best scholarship offer in a region he'd like to practice in.trebekismyhero wrote:Same holds true for BigFed as Big Law. It was about the likeliest outcome would belawman84 wrote:trebekismyhero wrote:People just have to understand that big law isn't likely. Of course it can happen, but you can't count on being top 25% let alone top 10%.
- Lawyer in biglaw that did not go to a t14spqr351 wrote:As I have zero desire for Big Law, a T30 with a scholarship is my best option.
OP, if W&M is offering you the lowest cost and you want to practice in Virginia, it's an option strongly worth considering.