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BKB wrote:Are you US citizen or green card holder? If you need work visa, don't go to anything below T14.

dangthinh121 wrote:

cbbinnyc wrote:Disclaimer, I am a 0L, but my sense is that a legal education would be a real slog for somebody who doesn't have an excellent command of English, no matter what school you go to. That said, you did manage a 3.89 at a US university ... did you take many humanities classes with difficult reading loads?

Given your goals, NYLS is the better choice, I think. Very very few people from WCL go to New York after graduation.

That said, the real answer is: neither. Those schools will both give you a slim chance at decent legal employment in NYC. Also, what do you mean when you say "the financial debt does not seem to be a main burden"? Do you mean that your family will be able to pay your tuition so debt is not an issue? Either way, it's not a good idea to go to these schools, but if are taking on debt to go to these schools it is an especially bad decision. Sounds like you might get no money from WCL, and 15k from NYLS is essentially nothing. You would be taking on substantial debt with poor employment prospects.

Retake the LSAT, get into a better school, improve your English, don't waste that GPA. I know you already preempted this sort of answer, but the reason people in this forum will give you that answer is because it is good advice.

I extremely appreciate your advice that really helps me significantly. My dad is a businessman in my home country; thus paying tuition is not really challenging for him. As mentioned previously, becoming a lawyer is my dream, and I do not mind working hard to get a chance even it's very slim. I have already heard mixed information about NYLS, but just want to confirm how bad is it. My goal is not working in big law firm because I understand my ability and my English. Is it possible if I can find a job with 60k salary from NYLS in NYC ?
Sincerely,

dangthinh121 wrote:First of all, I want to say "Hi" to everyone in TLS forum, and wish best luck to you guys. I am pretty sure that you guys have already received several offers since it is already in February. I have been living in the U.S for 4 years, and just took the LSAT in this December. My LSAC GPA is not pretty bad (3.89) from a local school, University of Houston. However, my LSAT is slightly above average. I have been admitted in several schools with scholarships:
NYLS: 15k
Albany: 18k
Touro: 25k
Syracuse: 10k
Pace: 20k

New England: 30k
Suffolk : 15k
UMass: 37k5/3 years

Washington DC:
WCL ( no scholarship info yet)

CA:
Western State: 30k
Golden Gate: 40k

Wailisted:
Cardozo Law school

Not decision yet: Sunny, Fordham, Brooklyn, GW, St John, UH Law, South Texas
My dream is working in NYC with the concentration in Real Estate or International Law, and I also want to study in NYC. However, WCL seems to be the highest-ranked school that I can get into. My mind is debating either WCL or NYLS. Honestly, I came from a family with strong background of finance; thus the financial debt does not seem to be a main burden. If I choose to WCL, will it be possible to find a job in NYC after graduating ? Or NYLS seems to be the best bet since I want to work in NYC. I understand that many people in forum will tell me to re take LSAT, or not to go to law school. However, it seems to attend law school this year is my purpose and I appreciate all of your advice.
I appreciate your time for reading.

dangthinh121 wrote:

cbbinnyc wrote:Disclaimer, I am a 0L, but my sense is that a legal education would be a real slog for somebody who doesn't have an excellent command of English, no matter what school you go to. That said, you did manage a 3.89 at a US university ... did you take many humanities classes with difficult reading loads?

Given your goals, NYLS is the better choice, I think. Very very few people from WCL go to New York after graduation.

That said, the real answer is: neither. Those schools will both give you a slim chance at decent legal employment in NYC. Also, what do you mean when you say "the financial debt does not seem to be a main burden"? Do you mean that your family will be able to pay your tuition so debt is not an issue? Either way, it's not a good idea to go to these schools, but if are taking on debt to go to these schools it is an especially bad decision. Sounds like you might get no money from WCL, and 15k from NYLS is essentially nothing. You would be taking on substantial debt with poor employment prospects.

Retake the LSAT, get into a better school, improve your English, don't waste that GPA. I know you already preempted this sort of answer, but the reason people in this forum will give you that answer is because it is good advice.

I extremely appreciate your advice that really helps me significantly. My dad is a businessman in my home country; thus paying tuition is not really challenging for him. As mentioned previously, becoming a lawyer is my dream, and I do not mind working hard to get a chance even it's very slim. I have already heard mixed information about NYLS, but just want to confirm how bad is it. My goal is not working in big law firm because I understand my ability and my English. Is it possible if I can find a job with 60k salary from NYLS in NYC ?
Sincerely,

dangthinh121 wrote:

cbbinnyc wrote:Disclaimer, I am a 0L, but my sense is that a legal education would be a real slog for somebody who doesn't have an excellent command of English, no matter what school you go to. That said, you did manage a 3.89 at a US university ... did you take many humanities classes with difficult reading loads?

Given your goals, NYLS is the better choice, I think. Very very few people from WCL go to New York after graduation.

That said, the real answer is: neither. Those schools will both give you a slim chance at decent legal employment in NYC. Also, what do you mean when you say "the financial debt does not seem to be a main burden"? Do you mean that your family will be able to pay your tuition so debt is not an issue? Either way, it's not a good idea to go to these schools, but if are taking on debt to go to these schools it is an especially bad decision. Sounds like you might get no money from WCL, and 15k from NYLS is essentially nothing. You would be taking on substantial debt with poor employment prospects.

Retake the LSAT, get into a better school, improve your English, don't waste that GPA. I know you already preempted this sort of answer, but the reason people in this forum will give you that answer is because it is good advice.

I extremely appreciate your advice that really helps me significantly. My dad is a businessman in my home country; thus paying tuition is not really challenging for him. As mentioned previously, becoming a lawyer is my dream, and I do not mind working hard to get a chance even it's very slim. I have already heard mixed information about NYLS, but just want to confirm how bad is it. My goal is not working in big law firm because I understand my ability and my English. Is it possible if I can find a job with 60k salary from NYLS in NYC ?
Sincerely,

lymenheimer wrote:If you are willing to work hard to become a lawyer, then you should be will do the easiest thing you can do to improve your chances of being a lawyer: studying for the LSAT properly and getting a score that will get you into stronger schools.

lymenheimer wrote:If you are willing to work hard to become a lawyer, then you should be will do the easiest thing you can do to improve your chances of being a lawyer: studying for the LSAT properly and getting a score that will get you into stronger schools.

dangthinh121 wrote:

lymenheimer wrote:If you are willing to work hard to become a lawyer, then you should be will do the easiest thing you can do to improve your chances of being a lawyer: studying for the LSAT properly and getting a score that will get you into stronger schools.

Thanks for your time for reading and comment . It took me 4 months to prepare LSAt and it seems I have already maxed out my ability . I understood that getting J.d required jobs from those schools are challenging, but I just want to try it . I understood retake the Lsat is the best option , but I want to attend law school this year.

Tls2016 wrote:

dangthinh121 wrote:

cbbinnyc wrote:Disclaimer, I am a 0L, but my sense is that a legal education would be a real slog for somebody who doesn't have an excellent command of English, no matter what school you go to. That said, you did manage a 3.89 at a US university ... did you take many humanities classes with difficult reading loads?

Given your goals, NYLS is the better choice, I think. Very very few people from WCL go to New York after graduation.

That said, the real answer is: neither. Those schools will both give you a slim chance at decent legal employment in NYC. Also, what do you mean when you say "the financial debt does not seem to be a main burden"? Do you mean that your family will be able to pay your tuition so debt is not an issue? Either way, it's not a good idea to go to these schools, but if are taking on debt to go to these schools it is an especially bad decision. Sounds like you might get no money from WCL, and 15k from NYLS is essentially nothing. You would be taking on substantial debt with poor employment prospects.

Retake the LSAT, get into a better school, improve your English, don't waste that GPA. I know you already preempted this sort of answer, but the reason people in this forum will give you that answer is because it is good advice.

I extremely appreciate your advice that really helps me significantly. My dad is a businessman in my home country; thus paying tuition is not really challenging for him. As mentioned previously, becoming a lawyer is my dream, and I do not mind working hard to get a chance even it's very slim. I have already heard mixed information about NYLS, but just want to confirm how bad is it. My goal is not working in big law firm because I understand my ability and my English. Is it possible if I can find a job with 60k salary from NYLS in NYC ?
Sincerely,

NYLS is a terrible school that has been sued by former students for fraud. I can't recommend that you go there. It is not likely you would get a job in NYC for $60,000 from that school.

As for your other choices, I don't know what WCL is, but if you want to work in NYC, you should go to school in NYC.

You shouldn't waste your GPA on a terrible school. Even if your parents can pay for it easily, it won't be easy for you to get a job from that school.

You might consider contacting practicing lawyers from your home country and ask them for advice about being a real estate lawyer in the city.

lymenheimer wrote:

dangthinh121 wrote:

lymenheimer wrote:If you are willing to work hard to become a lawyer, then you should be will do the easiest thing you can do to improve your chances of being a lawyer: studying for the LSAT properly and getting a score that will get you into stronger schools.

Thanks for your time for reading and comment . It took me 4 months to prepare LSAt and it seems I have already maxed out my ability . I understood that getting J.d required jobs from those schools are challenging, but I just want to try it . I understood retake the Lsat is the best option , but I want to attend law school this year.

That depends on how you prepared. Did you do as some of the LSAT prep suggests in the LSAT Prep and Discussion sub-forum?

dangthinh121 wrote: I did prepare it intenly in 4 months . 4 hours per day within 4 months. Frankly speaking, I scored 128 in the first practice test, and the real is 156. I have already improved 28 points

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dangthinh121 wrote:

lymenheimer wrote:If you are willing to work hard to become a lawyer, then you should be will do the easiest thing you can do to improve your chances of being a lawyer: studying for the LSAT properly and getting a score that will get you into stronger schools.

Thanks for your time for reading and comment . It took me 4 months to prepare LSAt and it seems I have already maxed out my ability . I understood that getting J.d required jobs from those schools are challenging, but I just want to try it . I understood retake the Lsat is the best option , but I want to attend law school this year.

heythatslife wrote:

dangthinh121 wrote:

lymenheimer wrote:If you are willing to work hard to become a lawyer, then you should be will do the easiest thing you can do to improve your chances of being a lawyer: studying for the LSAT properly and getting a score that will get you into stronger schools.

Thanks for your time for reading and comment . It took me 4 months to prepare LSAt and it seems I have already maxed out my ability . I understood that getting J.d required jobs from those schools are challenging, but I just want to try it . I understood retake the Lsat is the best option , but I want to attend law school this year.

1. Is there actually any pressing reason for you to attend law school this year, other than "I just want to"?

2. "I just want to try it" is a terrible attitude to a decision that will cost you three years and hundreds and thousands of dollars, at the end of which you will likely be left with no legal job from a school like NYLS.

3. That 3.89 GPA is too good to waste. You have not nearly exhausted your potential when all you've done is 4 months' preparation for LSAT and a single take at 156.

dangthinh121 wrote:

heythatslife wrote:

dangthinh121 wrote:

lymenheimer wrote:If you are willing to work hard to become a lawyer, then you should be will do the easiest thing you can do to improve your chances of being a lawyer: studying for the LSAT properly and getting a score that will get you into stronger schools.

Thanks for your time for reading and comment . It took me 4 months to prepare LSAt and it seems I have already maxed out my ability . I understood that getting J.d required jobs from those schools are challenging, but I just want to try it . I understood retake the Lsat is the best option , but I want to attend law school this year.

1. Is there actually any pressing reason for you to attend law school this year, other than "I just want to"?

2. "I just want to try it" is a terrible attitude to a decision that will cost you three years and hundreds and thousands of dollars, at the end of which you will likely be left with no legal job from a school like NYLS.

3. That 3.89 GPA is too good to waste. You have not nearly exhausted your potential when all you've done is 4 months' preparation for LSAT and a single take at 156.

You have made a very great point in the term that 4 months is not enough to maximize the potential of Lsat score . However , I really want to go to law school this year . I also heard a lot of positive comments about Nyls . I just need to know whether the advantage of location outweighs the rank in legal field . Thanks