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Clerkships

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:04 pm
by ObiWahooKenobi
I know many prospective students care about judicial clerkship opportunities as a factor in choosing a law school. I put together a spreadsheet with all the clerkship data from T14 schools' class of 2014 employment statistics.

It looks like HLS has the highest number of clerkships by far (and almost 2x as many federal clerkships as any other school), but several schools have higher clerkship rates (Stanford, Yale, Berkeley, and UVA). Hope this data is helpful!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Re: Clerkships

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:53 am
by mornincounselor
This is great. I wish we had one for big law that also looked to the top 10 non-t14 schools. I'm assuming its Texas, Vandy, UCLA, USC, BU, BC, Fordham, WUSTL and 1 other school.

I could probably do it. But, I'm an excel rookie so it won't be very fancy.

Re: Clerkships

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:13 am
by BVest
Unlike biglaw, clerkships don't follow the rule of T14 and then everybody else. These numbers are from 2012 rather than 2014, but here are the top clerkship schools including non-T14.

Re: Clerkships

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:14 am
by ObiWahooKenobi
@mornincounselor, that's a good idea. If I find myself with some time over Thanksgiving, I'll look into it - I could picture a lot of the T25 schools placing well for clerkships (especially UT).

If anyone beats me to it, obviously feel free to post a separate workbook to this thread or message me, and we can talk about merging the data/adding a sheet to my workbook.

Re: Clerkships

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:18 am
by BVest
mornincounselor wrote:This is great. I wish we had one for big law that also looked to the top 10 non-t14 schools. I'm assuming its Texas, Vandy, UCLA, USC, BU, BC, Fordham, WUSTL and 1 other school.
Here's NLJ250 percentages:

http://tippingthescales.com/2015/02/the ... w-schools/

Re: Clerkships

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:18 am
by ObiWahooKenobi
BVest wrote:Unlike biglaw, clerkships don't follow the rule of T14 and then everybody else. These numbers are from 2012 rather than 2014, but here are the top clerkship schools including non-T14.
Thanks for sharing - the US News article is a helpful starting point, but a few weeks ago, I found that I needed a lot more information (and, thus, aggregated the data, myself).

Aside from the data being dated, my main problem with the US News article is that the percentages are clerks/employed students rather than clerks/total graduates. Even T14 schools hire a surprising number back into law-school funded full or part time positions, so I wanted to develop my own metric.

Re: Clerkships

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:54 am
by Tiago Splitter
use lstscorereports.com

Re: Clerkships

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:18 am
by jbagelboy
Unfortunately 9-month employment information is increasingly irrelevant for clerkship hiring, which with the acceleration of interview and recruitment schedule means more and more students are being hired for a year or more out of school. The more useful dataset would consider alumni clerks

Re: Clerkships

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:20 am
by ObiWahooKenobi
jbagelboy wrote:Unfortunately 9-month employment information is increasingly irrelevant for clerkship hiring, which with the acceleration of interview and recruitment schedule means more and more students are being hired for a year or more out of school. The more useful dataset would consider alumni clerks
Thanks for the feedback - it could be worth overlaying class of 2013, 2012 data as some schools provide it. That said, I know my friends at T14 law schools generally apply for federal clerkships in their 2nd year, to start after graduation. As such, it was my sense that this is still the norm, even if there are federal clerkship opportunities after a year+ out of law school.

Re: Clerkships

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:01 am
by A. Nony Mouse
There are a lot of people who clerk a year out, but I don't think it's yet the norm, at least, not across all districts/circuits. I think there are a couple of jurisdictions that have traditionally hired only people with experience (SDNY? CDCA?), but they're still a pretty clear minority. Also, for many many judges, hiring someone with experience means hiring someone who's already done a clerkship - so many of the alumni clerks who don't get counted are clerking for a second time.

I agree that the stats don't present a complete picture, because they do leave out alumni clerks, but I'm not sure it would change the picture of which schools have the best clerkship placement.

Re: Clerkships

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:28 pm
by ObiWahooKenobi
I would really like to add SCOTUS clerkship historical data, but it seems only a few schools publish this. Does anyone know a source on this? It would be great to get 10 year averages in addition to 2014 clerkships.

Re: Clerkships

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:35 pm
by A. Nony Mouse
There's a list of Supreme Court clerks on Wikipedia, so you could probably reverse engineer from that. (I don't think it's a particularly helpful metric for like 99% of people, but the info is there.)

Also I'd bet someone like Leiter or ATL has researched this, too.

Re: Clerkships

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:44 pm
by ObiWahooKenobi
A. Nony Mouse wrote:There's a list of Supreme Court clerks on Wikipedia, so you could probably reverse engineer from that. (I don't think it's a particularly helpful metric for like 99% of people, but the info is there.)

Also I'd bet someone like Leiter or ATL has researched this, too.
Thanks for the lead! Leiter did it from 2003-2013, so I'm using that along with ATL SCOTUS Clerk Hiring Watch posts.

Re: Clerkships

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:36 pm
by ObiWahooKenobi
Done - here is the updated google sheet with SCOTUS Clerkship info.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

The awkward 2003-2015 window (rather than 10 year) is due to convenient sourcing. Still should be helpful for those interested in how schools place for SCOTUS clerkships. Columbia looks like it has been making some gains in last two years. Harvard and Yale hold strong lead. Shout out to my undergrad alma mater, UVA, for keeping it strong with 4 clerks this year (tied with Stanford, 2nd only to HLS/Yale).

Enjoy.

Re: Clerkships

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:16 pm
by ndirish2010

Re: Clerkships

Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 7:29 pm
by ObiWahooKenobi
Excess of Democracy has put together a chart based on latest ABA date. Check it out! The top 5 over the last 3 years are:
1) Yale - 31%
2) Stanford - 29%
3) Harvard - 17%
4) UVA - 15%
5) UC Irvine - 14%

http://excessofdemocracy.com/blog/2016/ ... -2013-2015