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I think penn is worth 15k more for your goals

Scary amount of debt imo, but yea, Penn seems like a better fit.

Penn is the pretty easy choice if you're actually cool with living with your family for a while. Tell Penn that you'll be looking at 170k debt from Cornell and that while you'd prefer Penn, graduating with upwards of 300k debt just isn't feasible but that even a very small scholarship would likely make you go to Penn.

Is there any way that you can spin your situation to make you eligible for need-based aid? Penn was pretty good to me on that end, but it took some initiative on my part.

Penn.

Clemenceau wrote:Is there any way that you can spin your situation to make you eligible for need-based aid? Penn was pretty good to me on that end, but it took some initiative on my part.

Would you mind PMing me how you managed this?

Mack.Hambleton wrote:I think penn is worth 15k more for your goals

Agreed. But, OP, that is a lot of debt to take on. Be careful.

Splitter101 wrote:

Clemenceau wrote:Is there any way that you can spin your situation to make you eligible for need-based aid? Penn was pretty good to me on that end, but it took some initiative on my part.

Would you mind PMing me how you managed this?

Pm'd

Penn is worth the extra 15k for your goals, but 185k is still a lot.
Take Tiago's advice and try to negotiate even if they've told you there's no $$

If they won't budge and their rationale is that they're out of $$ this year, see if Penn will do what UVA has done this cycle and give you some $$ contingent on deferring a year. They might be willing to do something like this to lock up a high LSAT and because Penn is weird about yield protecting. That would also give you a year to save $$ and further reduce debt.

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That is a ton of debt either way, as everyone has said, but I do think Cornell would be the appropriate choice in this situation. Save what you can and take Cornell. You can always get back to Philly but the New York experience/networking would be amazing.

BillClinton Jr wrote:That is a ton of debt either way, as everyone has said, but I do think Cornell would be the appropriate choice in this situation. Save what you can and take Cornell. You can always get back to Philly but the New York experience/networking would be amazing.

Ithica is not the "New York" experience. It's the Ithica experience.

Also, even if the OP's goal was NYC big law, I still think that Penn would be better than Cornell. But the OP's goal is Philly big law. Penn is easily the better choice here.

BillClinton Jr wrote:That is a ton of debt either way, as everyone has said, but I do think Cornell would be the appropriate choice in this situation. Save what you can and take Cornell. You can always get back to Philly but the New York experience/networking would be amazing.

Bad advice from someone whose first choices is Penn and just happens to be on their waitlist. Ignore.

BillClinton Jr wrote:Type of URM: African American/Vietnamese
GPA: 3.6

LSAT: 157

OUT:
Michigan
Chicago
Virginia
Georgetown

WAITLISTED:
Northwestern (Held and still waiting for a real decision - riding it out)
Penn (riding this out as my first choice)
Emory (withdrew)
IU - Bloomington (withdrew)

PENDING:
Cornell (withdrew)
UCLA (withdrew)

ATTENDING:
Lord willing, Penn but we will see. Hoping this waitlist thing pays off.

This process has been mentally and emotionally draining and I dread doing it again this fall so please Penn, LET ME LOVE YOU!!!!

Retake slick

Tiago Splitter wrote:

BillClinton Jr wrote:That is a ton of debt either way, as everyone has said, but I do think Cornell would be the appropriate choice in this situation. Save what you can and take Cornell. You can always get back to Philly but the New York experience/networking would be amazing.

Bad advice from someone whose first choices is Penn and just happens to be on their waitlist. Ignore.

If that's true, the poster should be banned.

Tiago Splitter wrote:

BillClinton Jr wrote:That is a ton of debt either way, as everyone has said, but I do think Cornell would be the appropriate choice in this situation. Save what you can and take Cornell. You can always get back to Philly but the New York experience/networking would be amazing.

Bad advice from someone whose first choices is Penn and just happens to be on their waitlist. Ignore.

BillClinton Jr wrote:Type of URM: African American/Vietnamese
GPA: 3.6

LSAT: 157

OUT:
Michigan
Chicago
Virginia
Georgetown

WAITLISTED:
Northwestern (Held and still waiting for a real decision - riding it out)
Penn (riding this out as my first choice)
Emory (withdrew)
IU - Bloomington (withdrew)

PENDING:
Cornell (withdrew)
UCLA (withdrew)

ATTENDING:
Lord willing, Penn but we will see. Hoping this waitlist thing pays off.

This process has been mentally and emotionally draining and I dread doing it again this fall so please Penn, LET ME LOVE YOU!!!!

Retake slick

Wow, great find.

BillClinton Jr wrote:That is a ton of debt either way, as everyone has said, but I do think Cornell would be the appropriate choice in this situation. Save what you can and take Cornell. You can always get back to Philly but the New York experience/networking would be amazing.

Here's a great example of a dumbass

Seriously just go get a somewhat decent lsat score instead of trying to get people to withdraw, pretty disgusting tactic.

oof, ethered. this, except the opposite

Tiago Splitter wrote:

BillClinton Jr wrote:That is a ton of debt either way, as everyone has said, but I do think Cornell would be the appropriate choice in this situation. Save what you can and take Cornell. You can always get back to Philly but the New York experience/networking would be amazing.

Bad advice from someone whose first choices is Penn and just happens to be on their waitlist. Ignore.

BillClinton Jr wrote:Type of URM: African American/Vietnamese
GPA: 3.6

LSAT: 157

OUT:
Michigan
Chicago
Virginia
Georgetown

WAITLISTED:
Northwestern (Held and still waiting for a real decision - riding it out)
Penn (riding this out as my first choice)
Emory (withdrew)
IU - Bloomington (withdrew)

PENDING:
Cornell (withdrew)
UCLA (withdrew)

ATTENDING:
Lord willing, Penn but we will see. Hoping this waitlist thing pays off.

This process has been mentally and emotionally draining and I dread doing it again this fall so please Penn, LET ME LOVE YOU!!!!

Retake slick

wow, this has got to be the most pathetic thing i've seen on this website.

and that's saying a whole lot.

Too much debt either way, but Penn and Cornell are not peers. Penn is definitely worth more.

Between the two options, it's clear to me that Penn is the better choice. Nevertheless, sticker at Penn versus Cornell with a small scholarship is a choice between two very expensive options.

With a 172 LSAT score , you should have some full tuition scholarship options assuming that your GPA is above a 3.4. (In an earlier post you wrote that your Dad was out of work, and this prompts different considerations.)

cron1834 wrote:Too much debt either way, but Penn and Cornell are not peers. Penn is definitely worth more.

This. IMO toooooooooo much debt for both

cron1834 wrote:Too much debt either way, but Penn and Cornell are not peers. Penn is definitely worth more.

Just curious, who do you consider as Penn's peers then?

Surely you don't consider Columbia and Chicago as Penn's peers, so there goes the notion of a CCNP peer group.

Traditionally TLS used a MVPB subtier of the lower T14, but does that really hold with Michigan, Virginia, and Berkeley generally placing less in BL+FC than Duke, Northwestern and Cornell?

I really dont see how the lower T14 can be further broken up. If it were to be altered in any way, Georgetown may be knocked down a notch and Penn can get an asterisk after it.

WeeBey wrote:

cron1834 wrote:Too much debt either way, but Penn and Cornell are not peers. Penn is definitely worth more.

Just curious, who do you consider as Penn's peers then?

Surely you don't consider Columbia and Chicago as Penn's peers, so there goes the notion of a CCNP peer group.

Traditionally TLS used a MVPB subtier of the lower T14, but does that really hold with Michigan, Virginia, and Berkeley generally placing less in BL+FC than Duke, Northwestern and Cornell?

I really dont see how the lower T14 can be further broken up. If it were to be altered in any way, Georgetown may be knocked down a notch and Penn can get an asterisk after it.

They're all peers, more or less. (S)he probably just meant that penn and cornell aren't created precisely equal.

Tiers are dumb.