Top Law Schools

They're officially out.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandr ... w-rankings

1. Yale
2. Harvard
2. Stanford (+1)
4. Columbia
4. Chicago
6. NYU
7. Penn
8. Duke (+2)
8. Berkeley (+1)
8. UVA
11. Michigan (-1)
12. Northwestern
13. Cornell
14. GULC (-1)
15. Texas
16. UCLA
17. Vanderbilt (-1)
18. Wash U
19. Emory
20. Minnesota
20. USC
22. George Washington University (-2)
22. University of Alabama (+1)
22. University of Iowa (+5)
22. University of Notre Dame (+4)
26. Arizona State University (+5)
26. Boston University (+1)
28. University of Washington (-4)
29. William & Mary (-5)
30. University of California-Irvine (NR)
31. University of California-Davis (+5)
31. University of Georgia (-2)
31. University of Wisconsin-Madison
34. Boston College (+2)
34. BYU (+2)
34. Fordham (+2)
34. Indiana University-Bloomington (-5)
34. Ohio State University (-3)
34. University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill (-3)
40. University of Colorado (+3)
41. University of Illinois (-1)
42. George Mason University (+4)
42. University of Arizona (-2)
42. University of Utah (+7)
42. Washington and Lee (+1)
46. Southern Methodist University (-4)
47. University of Florida (+2)
47. University of Maryland (-1)
47. Wake Forest University (-16)
50. Florida State University (-5)
50. Tulane University (-4)
52. Pepperdine University (+2)
52. Temple University (+9)
52. University of Richmond (-1)
52. University of Tennessee-Knoxville (+20)
56. Baylor University (-5)
56. Georgia State University (+8)
56. University of Nebraska-Lincoln (-2)
59. Case Western University (+5)
59. University of California-Hastings (-5)
59. University of Houston (-1)
59. University of Missouri (+5)
63. Seton Hall University (+5)
63. University of Connecticut (-9)
63. University of Kentucky (-5)
63. University of Miami (-2)
67. University of Denver (+1)
67. University of Kansas (+1)
67. UNLV (+16)
67. University of Oklahoma (-9)
71. American University (+1)
71. Penn State University (Dickinson) (-20)
71. University of New Mexico (+1)
71. University of San Diego (+8)
75. Loyola Marymount University (CA) (+12)
75. University of Arkansas-Fayetteville (-14)
75. Yeshiva University (Cardozo) (-11)
78. Brooklyn Law School (+5)
78. Illinois Institute of Technology (Chicago-Kent) (-6)
78. Loyola University Chicago (-10)
78. University of Pittsburgh (+3)
82. St. John’s University (+25)
82. University of Cincinnati (-3)
82. University of Hawaii (+18)
82. University of Oregon (+18)
82. University of Tulsa (-10)
87. Northeastern University (+6)
87. Rutgers (Newark) (-4)
87. St. Louis University (+6)
87. SUNY Buffalo Law School (+13)
87. Syracuse University (+20)
87. University of New Hampshire (+6)
87. Villanova University (+6)
94. Lewis & Clark College (-22)
94. LSU (-22)
94. Michigan State University (-7)
94. Santa Clara University (+13)
94. University of Louisville (-7)
94. University of Mississippi (+10)
94. University of South Carolina (-1)
94. West Virginia University (-11)

Where are the DROVES going?

baal hadad wrote:Where are the DROVES going?

UCI

baal hadad wrote:Where are the DROVES going?

Not Michigan anymore lol

OP post the T20 in the OP.

Wikipedia wrote:Michigan Law School consistently ranks among the highest-rated law schools in the United States. It was ranked third in the initial U.S. News & World Report law school rankings in 1987, and is one of seven schools never to appear outside the magazine's top 10. Michigan Law is also one of the "T14" law schools, schools that have consistently ranked within the top 14 law schools since U.S. News began publishing rankings. In the 2015 U.S. News ranking, Michigan Law is ranked 10th overall, tied with Duke.[4]The 2010 Super Lawyers rankings placed Michigan as second.[5] Michigan Law is currently ranked 6th for International Law.[6] In a 2011 U.S. News "reputational ranking" of law schools by hiring partners at the nation’s top law firms, the University of Michigan Law School ranked 4th.[7]

Just edited this old Wikipedia paragraph. I didn't want any employers confusing Michigan for a T10.

banjo wrote:

Wikipedia wrote:Michigan Law School consistently ranks among the highest-rated law schools in the United States. It was ranked third in the initial U.S. News & World Report law school rankings in 1987, and is one of seven schools never to appear outside the magazine's top 10. Michigan Law is also one of the "T14" law schools, schools that have consistently ranked within the top 14 law schools since U.S. News began publishing rankings. In the 2015 U.S. News ranking, Michigan Law is ranked 10th overall, tied with Duke.[4]The 2010 Super Lawyers rankings placed Michigan as second.[5] Michigan Law is currently ranked 6th for International Law.[6] In a 2011 U.S. News "reputational ranking" of law schools by hiring partners at the nation’s top law firms, the University of Michigan Law School ranked 4th.[7]

Just edited this old Wikipedia paragraph. I didn't want any employers confusing Michigan for a T10.

Ouch lol

Irvine's ranking is right about where most people expected. I thought they would be #20-30. Their ranking at #30 is probably half-arbitrary, meaning they could have easily been placed at 25 or better, but were placed at #30 so that they would have to work their way up...earn it.

Reputation ratings should be transparent, so we can see who rates the schools and how. They are at least top-25 on hard factors.

THIRD PAGE, PLEASE

PDaddy wrote:Irvine's ranking is right about where most people expected. I thought they would be #20-30. Their ranking at #30 is probably half-arbitrary, meaning they could have easily been placed at 25 or better, but were placed at #30 so that they would have to work their way up...earn it.

Reputation ratings should be transparent, so we can see who rates the schools and how. They are at least top-25 on hard factors.

Are they really though? Who in the current top 25 do they deserve to knock off? I guess Minnesota or Alabama but no one can figure out why those schools are ranked as highly as they are and yet there they stay on a yearly basis. UCI's unemployment rate is staggering and I'm not sure how sustainable that insane federal clerkship rate is once Chemerinsky runs out of favors to call in.

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pamphleteer wrote:

PDaddy wrote:Irvine's ranking is right about where most people expected. I thought they would be #20-30. Their ranking at #30 is probably half-arbitrary, meaning they could have easily been placed at 25 or better, but were placed at #30 so that they would have to work their way up...earn it.

Reputation ratings should be transparent, so we can see who rates the schools and how. They are at least top-25 on hard factors.

Are they really though? Who in the current top 25 do they deserve to knock off? I guess Minnesota or Alabama but no one can figure out why those schools are ranked as highly as they are and yet there they stay on a yearly basis. UCI's unemployment rate is staggering and I'm not sure how sustainable that insane federal clerkship rate is once Chemerinsky runs out of favors to call in.

You make several good points. UCI's employment ratings and continued ascension up the reputation ladder are the keys to its success. I doubt that it will ever go beyond top 18-20 or so in its best years. Still, I'm slightly surprised that it wasn't ranked a little higher. They really put in a lot of work and expected to start higher; this we know.

PDaddy wrote:Irvine's ranking is right about where most people expected. I thought they would be #20-30. Their ranking at #30 is probably half-arbitrary, meaning they could have easily been placed at 25 or better, but were placed at #30 so that they would have to work their way up...earn it.

No. UCI was "placed" in the same way as all the other schools: through a largely arbitrary collection of of ratings, scores, and other numeric criteria. Yes, UCI could have easily been #25. It also could have easily been #35 or #45. Folks at USNWR are not pulling strings to make UCI "earn" its ranking. Jesus.

I don't understand LSU dropping 22 spots. They have solid employment numbers, better than Tulane's even (In the scope of T2 ranked schools).

starry eyed wrote:I don't understand LSU dropping 22 spots. They have solid employment numbers, better than Tulane's even (In the scope of T2 ranked schools).

Does it matter that much? They probably saw them lose the Music City Bowl and thought wow these guys are shite

This is extremely helpful since I'm still deciding where to go school this fall. Iowa's the real deal, huh? What an impressive ranking. I'm disappointed that my top choice (IUB) has fallen off the map and Wake Forest is just a disaster according to these rankings.

DaRascal wrote:This is extremely helpful

No it isn't. Go troll in your own threads.

DUKE TO 8. DUKE TO 8. THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING

Just happy UMN managed to stay in the top 20

minnbills wrote:Just happy UMN managed to stay in the top 20

I'm honestly curious as to how this keeps happening. I'm guessing it's mainly on the strength of UMN's reputational score but why is its reputation so good? It isn't attached to a prestigious undergrad and it doesn't place its graduates into particularly prestigious positions. Is it mostly just the faculty?

pamphleteer wrote:

minnbills wrote:Just happy UMN managed to stay in the top 20

I'm honestly curious as to how this keeps happening. I'm guessing it's mainly on the strength of UMN's reputational score but why is its reputation so good? It isn't attached to a prestigious undergrad and it doesn't place its graduates into particularly prestigious positions. Is it mostly just the faculty?

I assume bribes

pamphleteer wrote:

minnbills wrote:Just happy UMN managed to stay in the top 20

I'm honestly curious as to how this keeps happening. I'm guessing it's mainly on the strength of UMN's reputational score but why is its reputation so good? It isn't attached to a prestigious undergrad and it doesn't place its graduates into particularly prestigious positions. Is it mostly just the faculty?

Well, it's mostly reputation of the school itself. It's definitely not job placement.

UMN undergrad is actually one of the top public schools in the country, and it's getting better every year, so that's not an issue. The faculty is also pretty stellar (as far as credentials and rep are concerned, anyways).

UMN is an amazing public. Its health programs are some of the best in the country and its UG has a really solid reputation.

Tennessee up 20 spots. I like it.

Many of the schools that send me daily law school spam mail offers did not appear to move up in the rankings.

i don't understand why
According to their emails they are the top in this, that or the other thing.