Michigan no longer a T10 - run away all is doomed
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:57 pm
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Jesus Christ. What's their crime, charging less than $60K for sticker tuition? Having a football team?A blind squirrel finds a nut every once and a while because Michigan is a terrible school.
Mal Reynolds wrote:A blind squirrel finds a nut every once and a while because Michigan is a terrible school.
i thought there was some sarcasm floating around? maybe not...r1tlv50 wrote:Jesus Christ. What's their crime, charging less than $60K for sticker tuition? Having a football team?A blind squirrel finds a nut every once and a while because Michigan is a terrible school.
I dunno, there's nothing to suggest it from that short of a post. I hope so though, but there isn't really a limit to how far some people have their heads up their asses over 'preftige' (reason number 11989878 people generally don't like lawyers)r1tlv50 wrote:
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A blind squirrel finds a nut every once and a while because Michigan is a terrible school.
Jesus Christ. What's their crime, charging less than $60K for sticker tuition? Having a football team?
i thought there was some sarcasm floating around? maybe not...
Jerbless but $250k in debt rather than $280k. What a bargain.r1tlv50 wrote:lol don't think jobs have ever been the number one consideration for any published lists...there's always been some hot air thrown into the equation
i just looked and mich does have a low biglaw + fedclerk score though. presumably average COA is also lower than other t14s
50-55% biglaw + fedclerk numbers at Michigan vs. 60-70% at the other T14's. I'm not buying that you'd only be able to save 30k living out there as opposed to east coast or CA. I'm not gonna crunch the numbers on that one but just eyeballing it it looks like it could make economic sense even without great financial aidJerbless but $250k in debt rather than $280k. What a bargain.
Mal just did the work for you. It doesn't.r1tlv50 wrote:50-55% biglaw + fedclerk numbers at Michigan vs. 60-70% at the other T14's. I'm not buying that you'd only be able to save 30k living out there as opposed to east coast or CA. I'm not gonna crunch the numbers on that one but just eyeballing it it looks like it could make economic sense even without great financial aidJerbless but $250k in debt rather than $280k. What a bargain.
Oh okay 250 v. 280 was from the profiles. Really hoping I can avoid throwing down the COL they're estimating, but that's a different topic.Mal just did the work for you. It doesn't.r1tlv50 wrote:
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Jerbless but $250k in debt rather than $280k. What a bargain.
50-55% biglaw + fedclerk numbers at Michigan vs. 60-70% at the other T14's. I'm not buying that you'd only be able to save 30k living out there as opposed to east coast or CA. I'm not gonna crunch the numbers on that one but just eyeballing it it looks like it could make economic sense even without great financial aid
Mal Reynolds wrote:They're not peers at all. Penn is clearly superior.
Those groupings are generally based on admissions criteria (HYS is hardest to get into, CCN a little easier, MVPB a little easier than that, DCNG easier than that) also kinda based on job outcomes (HYS has better outcomes than CCN, CCN has better outcomes than MVPB, etc.) but mostly it's just kind of TLS convention and not worth trying to decipher those tiers because you can find all sorts of exceptions.r1tlv50 wrote:haha. I got that from the HYS -> CCN -> PV...etc breakdowns people post on here (i think they normally group Penn and Mich). i agree that the job data favor penn
Yeah, if you're dead set on biglaw, Cornell might be the best bang for your LSAT points and/or $$$ if you can't get into a T6.Jim Jones wrote:virginia isnt really that great either, 63% firm plus clerks, they hire a ton of their students, pretty TTT behavior
duke is 60%
m 57%
b 56%
n 63%
c 68% (apparently all to nyc tho)
these numbers are all close enough that $$$ should change where you go. basically, if you dont go to penn or higher, make sure that you are getting good money
cornell needs to get more love, who gives two shits if it mostly feeds to nyc, those numbers are fuckin goldenBiglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:Yeah, if you're dead set on biglaw, Cornell might be the best bang for your LSAT points and/or $$$ if you can't get into a T6.Jim Jones wrote:virginia isnt really that great either, 63% firm plus clerks, they hire a ton of their students, pretty TTT behavior
duke is 60%
m 57%
b 56%
n 63%
c 68% (apparently all to nyc tho)
these numbers are all close enough that $$$ should change where you go. basically, if you dont go to penn or higher, make sure that you are getting good money
penn v. nyu in particular makes me wonder though. just on very general evaluations of the schools (biglaw and clerk percentages, gpa/lsat), it seems like penn's got the advantage in everything but the lsat percentilesr1tlv50 wrote:haha. I got that from the HYS -> CCN -> PV...etc breakdowns people post on here (i think they normally group Penn and Mich). i agree that the job data favor penn
Those groupings are generally based on admissions criteria (HYS is hardest to get into, CCN a little easier, MVPB a little easier than that, DCNG easier than that) also kinda based on job outcomes (HYS has better outcomes than CCN, CCN has better outcomes than MVPB, etc.) but mostly it's just kind of TLS convention and not worth trying to decipher those tiers because you can find all sorts of exceptions.
I don't think Penn beats NYU in big law (even if it's just because of proximity to law firms). The differential can in part be explained by people with good grades self-selecting out of the biglaw route at NYU for PI.r1tlv50 wrote:penn v. nyu in particular makes me wonder though. just on very general evaluations of the schools (biglaw and clerk percentages, gpa/lsat), it seems like penn's got the advantage in everything but the lsat percentilesr1tlv50 wrote:haha. I got that from the HYS -> CCN -> PV...etc breakdowns people post on here (i think they normally group Penn and Mich). i agree that the job data favor penn
Those groupings are generally based on admissions criteria (HYS is hardest to get into, CCN a little easier, MVPB a little easier than that, DCNG easier than that) also kinda based on job outcomes (HYS has better outcomes than CCN, CCN has better outcomes than MVPB, etc.) but mostly it's just kind of TLS convention and not worth trying to decipher those tiers because you can find all sorts of exceptions.