Stanford $$ or Lewis & Clark for environmental law? Forum

[khaleesiqueen1]

Hey TLS,

I want to practice in Portland and I'm interested in environmental law. Which is the better option to achieve this:

Stanford with $$ (35k annually)
Lewis & Clark (no scholarship info yet) -- assuming full ride.

Thanks.

[ilikebaseball]

Stanford.

[maroon175]

Stanford with no scholarship would still probably be the better option.

[rinkrat19]

Stanford, with the caveat that getting back to PDX is difficult even coming from top schools. The T3 prestige factor will certainly open up doors, but if you're not from the area, they will view you as an outsider. And if you are from the area, they will view you as a traitor for leaving, even for a top school.

But the Stanford name will help neutralize some of that suspicion, and will also give you the backup of being able to look for jobs in other markets.

I'm not trying to be too pessimistic. Stanford + decent grades + local PDX ties and you'd probably be just fine. Just don't underestimate the insularity and tiny size of the Portland legal market as a whole and the miniscule enviro law field specifically.

[romothesavior]

Stanford by a country mile.

[BigZuck]

The OP has a 3.1/167 and got into Stanford?

Also, they are an international student and their country is paying. And they care about saving a little more by going to Lewis and Clark?

Something doesn't add up here.

[fats provolone]

maybe they meant Stamford

[BigZuck]

maybe they meant Stamford

Whatever it is I'm going to get to the bottom of it.

[fats provolone]

maury is filmed there so that's a plus

[Rigo]

Stanford hands down.

[rpupkin]

Stanford, with the caveat that getting back to PDX is difficult even coming from top schools. The T3 prestige factor will certainly open up doors, but if you're not from the area, they will view you as an outsider. And if you are from the area, they will view you as a traitor for leaving, even for a top school.

Eh. The Portland market is extremely insular. But someone who grew up in Portland and then goes to law school at Stanford (or Harvard or Yale) is not generally viewed as "a traitor" for attending a top school. A Portland native who goes to SLS (and who consistently shows a strong interest in returning to the Portland market) is probably going to do fine.

[Clemenceau]

What happened here

[FloridaCoastalorbust]

What happened here

[BigZuck]

Stanford, with the caveat that getting back to PDX is difficult even coming from top schools. The T3 prestige factor will certainly open up doors, but if you're not from the area, they will view you as an outsider. And if you are from the area, they will view you as a traitor for leaving, even for a top school.

Eh. The Portland market is extremely insular. But someone who grew up in Portland and then goes to law school at Stanford (or Harvard or Yale) is not generally viewed as "a traitor" for attending a top school. A Portland native who goes to SLS (and who consistently shows a strong interest in returning to the Portland market) is probably going to do fine.

Serious question: Where do you think the traitor line should be drawn? Are you only a traitor if you go to a school ranked 4 and below?

[UnderTheLaw]

Serious question: Where do you think the traitor line should be drawn? Are you only a traitor if you go to a school ranked 4 and below?

This is a great question that I hope we can discuss.

[ballcaps]

i...don't...understand...

[BigZuck]

Serious question: Where do you think the traitor line should be drawn? Are you only a traitor if you go to a school ranked 4 and below?

This is a great question that I hope we can discuss.

ty

Still working on trying to figure out what the OP's deal is, I'll report back when I find something

[rpupkin]

Serious question: Where do you think the traitor line should be drawn? Are you only a traitor if you go to a school ranked 4 and below?

Duke. The traitor line should be drawn at Duke.

[rinkrat19]

Serious question: Where do you think the traitor line should be drawn? Are you only a traitor if you go to a school ranked 4 and below?

Duke. The traitor line should be drawn at Duke.

The traitor line is definitely drawn somewhere north of NU.

[03152016]

The OP has a 3.1/167 and got into Stanford?

Also, they are an international student and their country is paying. And they care about saving a little more by going to Lewis and Clark?

Something doesn't add up here.

it's almost as if op was some kind of troll, making threads with ridiculous premises to get a rise out of tls
no, that couldn't happen. this is the internet

[jbagelboy]

US news and world report specialty surveys are particularly instructive. very important for the field, practitioners drool over them. Lewis & Clark #1 beats Stanford at #3 in general ranking.

However, financial considerations loom large. That's a lot of money from Stanford and definitely worth weighing against the value of a laughably flawed commercial magazine survey, but overall, I'd say the gap in prestige and notoriety in environmental law, a burgeoning field, is wide enough that you should take the extra debt and follow your dreams at L&C.

[shay2171]

You do realize that the Saudi Crown Prince chose lewis and clark over stanford right? TLS Bias

[khaleesiqueen1]

Thanks guys appreciate your input

[khaleesiqueen1]

You do realize that the Saudi Crown Prince chose lewis and clark over stanford right? TLS Bias

source?

[NonTradLawHopeful]

What happened to Cornell and GULC?