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lot of people on this board say students ought to know better than to attend TTTs
imagine a prospective student who sees this on the subway:


(source)

say the prospective student never found tls/lst
doesn't know any lawyers (or if he does, it's a shitboomer who still regards suffolk as a solid regional)
the kid knows suffolk isn't prestigious, suffolk knows that the kid knows this, so it's spun as --
"they offer tradition. we offer results."
it's not outrageous that the prospective student looks at this ad and concludes that suffolk, while no harvard, produces solid outcomes (at least in MA), prestige aside

would you sympathize with someone who was tricked into attending suffolk law by an ad like this

At first I thought subject was egregious pro-SLS anti-HY trolling, but now I see it's actually the other way around?

Also unsure what point of thread is beyond "LS marketing is shady and 0Ls are gullible AF." Not exactly news flash.

I can definitely sympathize. I'm just amused by how narrow the job is that they hold up as worthy of bragging rights (like, is it any surprise that there aren't more MA state judges coming from Columbia?). Next we'll see an ad from Syracuse Law that says, "Syracuse Law has produced more sitting Vice Presidents than every other law school in the country combined." Like, congrats on finding a few boomer alumni who were successful and using that as the metric by which to judge a law school's value. That's some Cooley-rankings shit right there.

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ymmv wrote:At first I thought subject was egregious pro-SLS anti-HY trolling, but now I see it's actually the other way around?

Also unsure what point of thread is beyond "LS marketing is shady and 0Ls are gullible AF." Not exactly news flash.

lol
but yes, no news flash here
not making a point, asking a question
i'm curious bc we have posters like cade who believe we already have adequate consumer protection
and many more who don't have sympathy for students who get tricked into attending TTTs
wondering their thoughts on this

moonman157 wrote: Next we'll see an ad from Syracuse Law that says, "Syracuse Law has produced more sitting Vice Presidents than every other law school in the country combined."

Lol can we make this please

That poster reminds me of an LR question.

Which one of the following would weaken the statement above?

Someone should vandalize that sign to have it say:

9 months after graduation, Suffolk Law's Class of 2013 had 122 students who were known to be flat-out unemployed. That's more than Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, Chicago...(keep going until you get to 122 students cumulative)... combined.

And the 122 is only people who are unemployed. It doesn't include the 16 who have an unknown employment status and the 9 who are pursuing graduate degrees which I assume are Suffolk LLMs in International Law.

I don't sympathize much with people who are "tricked" into attending TTT's. If before making such a large investment you don't perform the proper research you largely deserve the outcome. It takes a minimal amount of research to conclude that attending this level of school is a very poor decision.

Cicero76 wrote:

moonman157 wrote: Next we'll see an ad from Syracuse Law that says, "Syracuse Law has produced more sitting Vice Presidents than every other law school in the country combined."

Lol can we make this please

bored @ work

xylocarp wrote:

Cicero76 wrote:

moonman157 wrote: Next we'll see an ad from Syracuse Law that says, "Syracuse Law has produced more sitting Vice Presidents than every other law school in the country combined."

Lol can we make this please

bored @ work

I seriously cannot wait to see that ad on the subway

Golf clap

bored @ work

The picture is so funny. We offer vice presidents

Brut wrote:

xylocarp wrote:

Cicero76 wrote:

moonman157 wrote: Next we'll see an ad from Syracuse Law that says, "Syracuse Law has produced more sitting Vice Presidents than every other law school in the country combined."

Lol can we make this please

bored @ work

Look at those two future VPOTUSes, walking the halls of future greatness.

1-8-0.

Let's keep going with this caption competition. (My submission posted a few posts back)

jingosaur wrote:Someone should vandalize that sign to have it say:

9 months after graduation, Suffolk Law's Class of 2013 had 122 students who were known to be flat-out unemployed. That's more than Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, Chicago...(keep going until you get to 122 students cumulative)... combined.

And the 122 is only people who are unemployed. It doesn't include the 16 who have an unknown employment status and the 9 who are pursuing graduate degrees which I assume are Suffolk LLMs in International Law.

Major props to anyone who can spray paint this on that sign.

Nucky wrote:I don't sympathize much with people who are "tricked" into attending TTT's. If before making such a large investment you don't perform the proper research you largely deserve the outcome. It takes a minimal amount of research to conclude that attending this level of school is a very poor decision.

Problem is, most research that leads to the truth is through scamblogs, TLS, and the like. The fact is that a majority of 0Ls are researching....but getting their information/perspective from shit boomers, their family, their professors/pre-law advisors, the media, US News Rankings, and the colleges themselves(remember, we are taught to trust academia..they aren't some business. No sir). Is it that hard to believe that someone will trust those "legitimate" resources as opposed to a "few online whiners"?

ya shepard is right
when i first came across the scamblogs i thought they were just disgruntled whiners
and i thought tls ppl were wacko

just to give some perspective
early on fordham and cardozo were high on my list
my 'research' included talking to my mentor, who raved about cardozo
speaking to another boomer lawyer i know well who advised me there was really no need to go to a top school (he had gone to an unaccredited TTTT in the 70s and ended up in-house at big nyc vc firm)
looking at their wikipedia page and site, seemed promising
checking the rankings (both top 100 schools, which sounded pretty good to me)
so i did the research you're speaking of and arrived at the wrong conclusion

it is great that someone added the true employment statistics to the suffolk wiki entry
i think i'll do that for all ny schools that don't have that info listed
mayb we can get some people to volunteer for other states

The Dark Shepard wrote:

Nucky wrote:I don't sympathize much with people who are "tricked" into attending TTT's. If before making such a large investment you don't perform the proper research you largely deserve the outcome. It takes a minimal amount of research to conclude that attending this level of school is a very poor decision.

Problem is, most research that leads to the truth is through scamblogs, TLS, and the like. The fact is that a majority of 0Ls are researching....but getting their information/perspective from shit boomers, their family, their professors/pre-law advisors, the media, US News Rankings, and the colleges themselves(remember, we are taught to trust academia..they aren't some business. No sir). Is it that hard to believe that someone will trust those "legitimate" resources as opposed to a "few online whiners"?

Plus, compare the advertisement (a simple sentence that puts a TTTT ahead of 3 ivies in at least one respect) to what someone wanted to vandalize it with (a complex analysis of the breakdown of jobs, taking a number of thoughts and perspectives into consideration, along with some assumptions). Obviously the latter will be FAR more accurate and helpful, but a lot of the time people are just looking for excuses to justify their bad decisions. These kind of advertisements, along with USNRW specialty rankings, shit boomers, etc. fill a need for these students that allows them to block out conflicting, negative information. Obviously people should't do this, but it's a human tendency not exclusive to people who attend bad law schools.

Nucky wrote:I don't sympathize much with people who are "tricked" into attending TTT's. If before making such a large investment you don't perform the proper research you largely deserve the outcome. It takes a minimal amount of research to conclude that attending this level of school is a very poor decision.

I took the LSAT with one of my co-workers last year. Didn't even know he was prepping for it; we just happened to end up in the same room for the test. Found out later that he's going to Regent University. This guy's in his 40s, a career military officer, has the G.I. Bill to pay for school, and he's going down the street to Regent? I didn't want to say/ask anything, so I just let it drop. Hopefully, he already has a job locked down after graduation and literally just needs the JD.

The time I spent on this should have yielded much better results.

Ricky-Bobby wrote:The time I spent on this should have yielded much better results.

Ricky-Bobby wrote:The time I spent on this should have yielded much better results.

Anti-Georgetown trolling

Cicero76 wrote:Golf clap

This for xylo and RB