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If I am planning on practicing corporate law in the oil and gas field in Texas, would I be better off attending LSU or A&M? Any opinions are much appreciated.

Coog8806 wrote:If I am planning on practicing corporate law in the oil and gas field in Texas, would I be better off attending LSU or A&M? Any opinions are much appreciated.

I know its not an option, but if those are your two, then retake and shoot for houston. Seriously man

Don't attend LSU unless you want to work in Louisiana. Don't attend A&M under any circumstances, as a degree from A&M will give you less than a 40% chance at a full-time, long-term job as a lawyer of any kind. For your goals, the only correct answer is "neither."

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as ti said
texas a&m should not be attended under ANY circumstances
38.1% of the class found full-time long-term work as lawyers
that makes it one of the very worst accredited law schools in the entire country (bottom 15%)
even if they gave you a full ride and stipend, you should not consider attending

you say you want texas biglaw
we can help you find a more appropriate school
but first we need to know your gpa, lsat, how many times you've taken, and how you're paying for school

Ti Malice wrote: For your goals, the only correct answer is "neither."

retake LSAT - not sure what your GPA is but try getting into UT w/ a scholarship

Neither for you

choward014 wrote:

Coog8806 wrote:If I am planning on practicing corporate law in the oil and gas field in Texas, would I be better off attending LSU or A&M? Any opinions are much appreciated.

I know its not an option, but if those are your two, then retake and shoot for houston. Seriously man

Houston would also be a bad idea for what presumably would have to be biglaw. What's their biglaw placement, 10-15%? OP you should retake for either t14 or UT with $$$.

Balthy wrote:

choward014 wrote:

Coog8806 wrote:If I am planning on practicing corporate law in the oil and gas field in Texas, would I be better off attending LSU or A&M? Any opinions are much appreciated.

I know its not an option, but if those are your two, then retake and shoot for houston. Seriously man

Houston would also be a bad idea for what presumably would have to be biglaw. What's their biglaw placement, 10-15%? OP you should retake for either t14 or UT with $$$.

eh... UT or T14 aren't the only answers for TX Biglaw. I'm not super familiar, but at the very least I understand that the TX market is pretty unique. See SMU's employment stats, which are pretty good: http://www.law.smu.edu/Career-Services/ ... stics.aspx

If OP can get a decent scholarship there, it should be worth attending.

OP can also do tx from Southern schools like duke, vandy. But OP I would also try to cop a full ride to UT or SMU. My firm doesn't hire from UH directly, but I've heard good things bout dat CoL doh if you can stomach Houston

A&M will slowly rise to the reputable powerhouse of UT in the upcoming years. Give it time, it was recently re-branded.

igo2northwestern wrote:

Balthy wrote:

choward014 wrote:

Coog8806 wrote:If I am planning on practicing corporate law in the oil and gas field in Texas, would I be better off attending LSU or A&M? Any opinions are much appreciated.

I know its not an option, but if those are your two, then retake and shoot for houston. Seriously man

Houston would also be a bad idea for what presumably would have to be biglaw. What's their biglaw placement, 10-15%? OP you should retake for either t14 or UT with $$$.

eh... UT or T14 aren't the only answers for TX Biglaw. I'm not super familiar, but at the very least I understand that the TX market is pretty unique. See SMU's employment stats, which are pretty good: http://www.law.smu.edu/Career-Services/ ... stics.aspx

If OP can get a decent scholarship there, it should be worth attending.

I go to UT. I think this is way too optimistic.

Going to UT with a goal of TX big law is somewhat questionable IMO, going to SMU/UH with a goal of TX big law is a really bad idea.

eriedoctrine wrote:A&M will slowly rise to the reputable powerhouse of UT in the upcoming years. Give it time, it was recently re-branded.

lol

Nova wrote:

eriedoctrine wrote:A&M will slowly rise to the reputable powerhouse of UT in the upcoming years. Give it time, it was recently re-branded.

lol

kinda like how A&M will become a football powerhouse by joining the SEC

eriedoctrine wrote:A&M will slowly rise to the reputable powerhouse of UT in the upcoming years. Give it time, it was recently re-branded.

Dude you give a lot of really terrible advice

BigZuck wrote:

Houston would also be a bad idea for what presumably would have to be biglaw. What's their biglaw placement, 10-15%? OP you should retake for either t14 or UT with $$$.

eh... UT or T14 aren't the only answers for TX Biglaw. I'm not super familiar, but at the very least I understand that the TX market is pretty unique. See SMU's employment stats, which are pretty good: http://www.law.smu.edu/Career-Services/ ... stics.aspx

If OP can get a decent scholarship there, it should be worth attending.[/quote]

I go to UT. I think this is way too optimistic.

Going to UT with a goal of TX big law is somewhat questionable IMO, going to SMU/UH with a goal of TX big law is a really bad idea.[/quote]


SMU places over 20% in biglaw dood. And if he can get into ut, he could prob get a full ride at smu/Htown. Also Dallas/Htown have a gold mine of market-paying small firms if op has regal Texas blood &/or deeply-embedded Texas roots predating the Alamo

oblitigate wrote:

BigZuck wrote:

Houston would also be a bad idea for what presumably would have to be biglaw. What's their biglaw placement, 10-15%? OP you should retake for either t14 or UT with $$$.

eh... UT or T14 aren't the only answers for TX Biglaw. I'm not super familiar, but at the very least I understand that the TX market is pretty unique. See SMU's employment stats, which are pretty good: http://www.law.smu.edu/Career-Services/ ... stics.aspx

If OP can get a decent scholarship there, it should be worth attending.

I go to UT. I think this is way too optimistic.

Going to UT with a goal of TX big law is somewhat questionable IMO, going to SMU/UH with a goal of TX big law is a really bad idea.[/quote]


SMU places over 20% in biglaw dood. And if he can get into ut, he could prob get a full ride at smu/Htown. Also Dallas/Htown have a gold mine of market-paying small firms if op has regal Texas blood &/or deeply-embedded Texas roots predating the Alamo[/quote]

I guess you're trolling but for anyone who might be reading this:

20% big law is not good enough placement if that's what you're gunning for.

If you want big law, go to a T14, not a regional school like UH/SMU.

oblitigate wrote:SMU places over 20% in biglaw dood. And if he can get into ut, he could prob get a full ride at smu/Htown. Also Dallas/Htown have a gold mine of market-paying small firms if op has regal Texas blood &/or deeply-embedded Texas roots predating the Alamo

going to a school where you only have a 20% chance of reaching your goal is stupid

Don't go to either of these schools bro, your chances of even getting an actual job as a lawyer are terrible from a&m and lsu is not good for texas

BigZuck wrote:

igo2northwestern wrote:

Balthy wrote: Houston would also be a bad idea for what presumably would have to be biglaw. What's their biglaw placement, 10-15%? OP you should retake for either t14 or UT with $$$.

eh... UT or T14 aren't the only answers for TX Biglaw. I'm not super familiar, but at the very least I understand that the TX market is pretty unique. See SMU's employment stats, which are pretty good: http://www.law.smu.edu/Career-Services/ ... stics.aspx

If OP can get a decent scholarship there, it should be worth attending.

I go to UT. I think this is way too optimistic.

Going to UT with a goal of TX big law is somewhat questionable IMO, going to SMU/UH with a goal of TX big law is a really bad idea.

I dunno man, the stats do say something, right? At least 30% of SMU students are getting midlaw/biglaw, so if OP gets a good scholly, I'd say it's pretty fair. Obviously a comparable scholly at UT is preferable, but compare the stats between the two schools.

For UT, the % total grads getting FT law firms >26 ppl: 37.6%
For SMU: 30.4%

For UT, the % total grads getting FT law firms >51 ppl: 35.2%
For SMU: 25.5%

For UT, % grads getting law firms generally: 52.6%
For SMU: 58.3%

There's a pretty big (12% in both places) disparity in % UT students going to 501+ firms and % SMU students going to 2-10 firms. SMU has a greater % students going to 251-500 firms, 101-250 firms, and 51-100 firms (along with 11-25, 26-50, but that's less important I think).

There's an obvious difference between the two schools in favor of UT, but the only thing I'm trying to say is that SMU is a safe enough option where, if the right money comes along, OP can consider it.

~ Edited to include more data. Hope this helps, OP.

op wants to practice corporate law
what part of this are you not getting

smu bl+fc = 24.3%

if i was looking at dentists to get my teeth pulled
and a dentist offered a promotion where i'd get the surgery done for free
but with only a 24.3% success rate
i wouldn't make an appointment

Brut wrote:op wants to practice corporate law
what part of this are you not getting

smu bl+fc = 24.3%

if i was looking at dentists to get my teeth pulled
and a dentist offered a promotion where i'd get the surgery done for free
but with only a 24.3% success rate
i wouldn't make an appointment

what part of this are you not getting

1. read the last line of my post.
2. read the first and second lines of my post.
3. compare
4. profit

If I was looking at dentists to get my teeth pulled, and there was only a 42.3% success rate, (ut's bl+fc) i also wouldn't make an appointment. Then again, getting your teeth pulled at a dentist is pretty senseless. TLDR: what a stupid analogy.

Yes of course, for corporate law alone, the chances are very, very slim. And even at UT, you could say that a very, very significant portion of that 42.3% would not get "corporate law in the oil and gas field in Texas". That's obviously a narrow goal. But would a 0L, like yourself? know exactly what s/he wanted to do? The point is that, after taking a significant scholly, the exits aren't so bad that OP would end up empty-handed.

Anyways, back on track. I think the point is that neither will give you what you want. Retake your LSAT and shoot for Houston. I'd say SMU, but Idk how impressive the oil law is here in dallas.... Working in Houston's a better bet.

igo2northwestern wrote:

Brut wrote:op wants to practice corporate law
what part of this are you not getting

smu bl+fc = 24.3%

if i was looking at dentists to get my teeth pulled
and a dentist offered a promotion where i'd get the surgery done for free
but with only a 24.3% success rate
i wouldn't make an appointment

what part of this are you not getting

1. read the last line of my post.
2. read the first and second lines of my post.
3. compare
4. profit

If I was looking at dentists to get my teeth pulled, and there was only a 42.3% success rate, (ut's bl+fc) i also wouldn't make an appointment. Then again, getting your teeth pulled at a dentist is pretty senseless. TLDR: what a stupid analogy.

Yes of course, for corporate law alone, the chances are very, very slim. And even at UT, you could say that a very, very significant portion of that 42.3% would not get "corporate law in the oil and gas field in Texas". That's obviously a narrow goal. But would a 0L, like yourself? know exactly what s/he wanted to do? The point is that, after taking a significant scholly, the exits aren't so bad that OP would end up empty-handed.

wtf are you talking about you imbecile
dentists pull teeth all the time
and i didn't tell op to go to UT, i just said not to go to SMU
god you're thick, you're not even reading
further, your cherry picking statistics is sad and pathetic
esp bc the aim is to trick the op into going to a school that doesn't help him achieve his goals

you're the worst kind of poster
clearly not even taking the time to read the posts carefully
stop spewing idiocy all over the forum and go away

now about that retake
are you willing to sit out a cycle and start prepping again

post gpa, lsat, how many times you've taken, and how you're paying for school
and also how you prepped before
we can probably steer you in the right direction

Brut wrote:

igo2northwestern wrote:

Brut wrote:op wants to practice corporate law
what part of this are you not getting

smu bl+fc = 24.3%

if i was looking at dentists to get my teeth pulled
and a dentist offered a promotion where i'd get the surgery done for free
but with only a 24.3% success rate
i wouldn't make an appointment

what part of this are you not getting

1. read the last line of my post.
2. read the first and second lines of my post.
3. compare
4. profit

If I was looking at dentists to get my teeth pulled, and there was only a 42.3% success rate, (ut's bl+fc) i also wouldn't make an appointment. Then again, getting your teeth pulled at a dentist is pretty senseless. TLDR: what a stupid analogy.

Yes of course, for corporate law alone, the chances are very, very slim. And even at UT, you could say that a very, very significant portion of that 42.3% would not get "corporate law in the oil and gas field in Texas". That's obviously a narrow goal. But would a 0L, like yourself? know exactly what s/he wanted to do? The point is that, after taking a significant scholly, the exits aren't so bad that OP would end up empty-handed.

wtf are you talking about you imbecile
dentists pull teeth all the time
and i didn't tell op to go to UT, i just said not to go to SMU
god you're thick, you're not even reading
further, your cherry picking statistics is sad and pathetic
esp bc the aim is to trick the op into going to a school that doesn't help him achieve his goals

you're the worst kind of poster
clearly not even taking the time to read the posts carefully
stop spewing idiocy all over the forum and go away

So I usually don't dignify these sorts of posts, but since Brut PMed moments ago...for attention? this bro be mad...

So I'll respond very specifically. There are two reasons why that was a stupid analogy. First, you don't go to a dentist for a % chance to get your teeth pulled. You go to a dentist for a % chance to save a tooth from being pulled. Second, if going to a better school increases my chance of having a meaningless surgical procedure by 18%... you get the point. Stupid analogy.

The reason why I included UT is because it's on the premise that going to UT is not a unfathomable idea. I assumed you would accept that, and indeed you affirm it. Now, if OP is considering a school like A&M or LSU, perhaps getting a scholly from UT is a stretch. Wouldn't you agree? But if OP can reach the more feasible goal of getting a very large scholly from a school like SMU, whose employment prospects aren't so bad, I stated above that it was worth considering.

What you wrote, apart from being largely incomprehensible, commits two glaring mistakes. It subscribes to the 0L belief that his/her 0L law school mission will actually be the end result. And it ignores, once more, my emphasis that SMU only makes real sense if significant scholarship can be gotten (though, of course, we don't know OP's financial situation). I have no idea why you think I've cherry-picked statistics. I've taken your stats exactly as they were presented.

Now, take a deep breath Brut. Don't sh*t yourself. I've responded to each of your points, so respond to mine so I can better assess whether you're worth my attention--you're a 0L aren't you?