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Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:51 pm
by kiris
Full ride to all three. Which would you choose? I'm currently a litigation paralegal and would love to be a civil litigator post grad. International law and immigration law are also interesting, and I am considering studying abroad. Not sure if any of the three above schools are a good fit for these things, but I'd rather go to law school with a full ride rather than pay for one of the top 20s.
Any advice would help.
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:06 pm
by unodostres
What are your stipulations?
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:57 pm
by tabula rasa
kiris wrote:International law
This is not obtainable from any of these schools.
immigration law
I hope you're fluent in Spanish.
I am considering studying abroad.
Don't.
Not sure if any of the three above schools are a good fit for these things
None of these schools are a good fit for
any type of legal employment. Barely half of all
Pepperdine and
Loyola grads have a full time legal job.
UC Hastings is a pathetic shitshow that you should not attend under any circumstances.
I'd rather go to law school with a full ride rather than pay for one of the top 20s.
These schools all suck, they just suck less with $$$$. Keep in mind you will still have COL to pay for, not to mention the opportunity cost of three years not working.
Any advice would help.
If you want better odds than a coin flip's chance at a full time legal job, retake for $$ from UCLA or USC.
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:22 pm
by Winston1984
I wouldn't attend any of them if you want a meaningful chance at practicing law.
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:46 pm
by kiris
I have a 2.5 GPA stipulation for Loyola and Pepperdine and 2.75 for UC Hastings. I am fluent in Spanish. COL isn't a huge issue. I have family to live with in the Miracle Mile area of LA and I'm currently living with 3 roommates in Berkeley with $500/month rent.
I'm worried that if I reapply next year, I won't be offered the same full scholarships and maybe little to no scholarships at other places. I got into USC with no scholarship and waitlisted at UCLA.
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:48 pm
by Winston1984
Stats? Are you a URM?
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:57 pm
by kiris
Yes. 169/3.72.
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:09 pm
by thebobs1987
kiris wrote:Yes. 169/3.72.
How did you not get any money from USC or UCLA with those stats? Did you apply late? You should have better options than these schools. Don't go to any of them
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:14 pm
by dd235
thebobs1987 wrote:kiris wrote:Yes. 169/3.72.
How did you not get any money from USC or UCLA with those stats? Did you apply late? You should have better options than these schools. Don't go to any of them
Ya seems like you underperformed
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:26 pm
by kiris
thebobs1987 wrote:kiris wrote:Yes. 169/3.72.
How did you not get any money from USC or UCLA with those stats? Did you apply late? You should have better options than these schools. Don't go to any of them
Unfortunately, I think so. I applied late December, early to mid-January. The firm I work for had a trial in mid-December, so that really threw me off. I also didn't take the LSAT until October.
Anyway, I think I had a weird application cycle. I'm not sure why things turned out like this. I was rejected from Boalt, which was kind of expected. But I was also turned down from Northwestern, AU in D.C., Fordham, GW, and Georgetown. I was accepted to Notre Dame with no money (I applied to ND a week before the deadline kind of as an afterthought and I think it showed). Baylor with $25,000 per year and UC Davis with $17,000 a year, 2.5 stip. I'm currently trying to get money from ND and more from UCD, but I prefer to be in LA/Bay Area.
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:28 pm
by thebobs1987
kiris wrote:thebobs1987 wrote:kiris wrote:Yes. 169/3.72.
How did you not get any money from USC or UCLA with those stats? Did you apply late? You should have better options than these schools. Don't go to any of them
Unfortunately, I think so. I applied late December, early to mid-January. The firm I work for had a trial in mid-December, so that really threw me off. I also didn't take the LSAT until October.
Anyway, I think I had a weird application cycle. I'm not sure why things turned out like this. I was rejected from Boalt, which was kind of expected. But I was also turned down from Northwestern, AU in D.C., Fordham, GW, and Georgetown. I was accepted to Notre Dame with no money (I applied to ND a week before the deadline kind of as an afterthought and I think it showed). Baylor with $25,000 per year and UC Davis with $17,000 a year, 2.5 stip. I'm currently trying to get money from ND and more from UCD, but is prefer to be in LA/Bay Area.
If you want to be in CA don't go to ND. Reapply next year. Maybe even retake just to get a few points. Talk to some people about your application and PS because you did apply a little late, but still should have better options, which likely means there's something off with your application. Take the time over the summer to perfect your application and maybe even retake the LSAT. You will be much better off than going to any of the places you currently have as options
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:56 pm
by Ramius
Are you saying you're a urm with a 169/3.72 and these are your choices? You definitely underperformed and it'd be a huge disservice to attend any of these schools. Retake/reapply and you should be looking at $100k+ from both USC/UCLA and some definite t14 love. This makes no sense to me unless something is way off in your app.
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:58 pm
by Dr.Zer0
matthewsean85 wrote:Are you saying you're a urm with a 169/3.72 and these are your choices? You definitely underperformed and it'd be a huge disservice to attend any of these schools. Retake/reapply and you should be looking at $100k+ from both USC/UCLA and some definite t14 love. This makes no sense to me unless something is way off in your app.
+1
Also what type of URM?
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:58 pm
by Dr.Zer0
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Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:58 pm
by Dr.Zer0
Double post.
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:16 pm
by nebula666
Did you write your personal statement in crayon or something? I don't think it's actually possible to be URM with your numbers and not be in at HYS let alone USC/UCLA.
Are you sure that you are urm? Even if so, I'd reapply early next cycle.
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:02 pm
by rickgrimes69
matthewsean85 wrote:Are you saying you're a urm with a 169/3.72 and these are your choices? You definitely underperformed and it'd be a huge disservice to attend any of these schools. Retake/reapply and you should be looking at $100k+ from both USC/UCLA and some definite t14 love. This makes no sense to me unless something is way off in your app.
Forget USC/UCLA - OP should be looking at HYS or T14 w/ $$$. OP, wtf did you do on your application? Something's not right here.
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:18 pm
by BigZuck
nebula666 wrote:Did you write your personal statement in crayon or something? I don't think it's actually possible to be URM with your numbers and not be in at HYS let alone USC/UCLA.
Are you sure that you are urm? Even if so, I'd reapply early next cycle.
Yeah. The OP is either not URM (my guess) or there is something frightfully wrong with his/her application.
I don't think I would go to a CA school ranked less than UCLA or USC. Too many dumpster fires, not enough legal jobs.
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:19 pm
by NorCalLaw
I agree with the sentiment that OP deserves better options with those numbers.
That said, if you're set on going this year (why?), figure out which school will actually cost you the least over a 3 year period and go with that one. None of these schools are markedly better than the others, and each one is a huge gamble even at $0.
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:39 pm
by Ramius
rickgrimes69 wrote:matthewsean85 wrote:Are you saying you're a urm with a 169/3.72 and these are your choices? You definitely underperformed and it'd be a huge disservice to attend any of these schools. Retake/reapply and you should be looking at $100k+ from both USC/UCLA and some definite t14 love. This makes no sense to me unless something is way off in your app.
Forget USC/UCLA - OP should be looking at HYS or T14 w/ $$$. OP, wtf did you do on your application? Something's not right here.
My thought was it is largely dependent on the type of urm. MA in California won't have nearly the pull that AA male would. I tried to leave it open based on the vague urm intricacies.
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:42 pm
by rickgrimes69
matthewsean85 wrote:rickgrimes69 wrote:matthewsean85 wrote:Are you saying you're a urm with a 169/3.72 and these are your choices? You definitely underperformed and it'd be a huge disservice to attend any of these schools. Retake/reapply and you should be looking at $100k+ from both USC/UCLA and some definite t14 love. This makes no sense to me unless something is way off in your app.
Forget USC/UCLA - OP should be looking at HYS or T14 w/ $$$. OP, wtf did you do on your application? Something's not right here.
My thought was it is largely dependent on the type of urm. MA in California won't have nearly the pull that AA male would. I tried to leave it open based on the vague urm intricacies.
Even a non-URM should have a T14 w/$$ with those numbers tho
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:45 pm
by kiris
I think it is because of my undergrad major/school? Art History/SFSU. Extracurriculars were basically nonexistent for me in undergrad as well. I only got my current job after a friend of mine left for law school and put in a VERY good word for me. I also probably could have spent more time on my personal statement, and I didn't do many optional essays.... Really considering reapplying and keeping my fingers crossed that it'll be a better run next cycle.
What are the chances that the schools I got accepted to will know where I was rejected from and/or hold it against me that I turned down their offers and then not accept me/give me less money next cycle? This is something I'm pretty concerned about.
I'm MA.
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:10 pm
by The Dark Shepard
They shouldn't hold it against you.
It really will only help if you take a year off, apply early on(like day 1) next cycle, and work on your PS and maybe get new LOR(any chance one of those fucked you up? Also, were they academic or employers? Schools prefer academic)
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:31 pm
by ManoftheHour
tabula rasa wrote:
None of these schools are a good fit for
any type of legal employment. Barely half of all
Pepperdine and
Loyola grads have a full time legal job.
UC Hastings is a pathetic shitshow that you should not attend under any circumstances.
Re: Loyola vs. Pepperdine vs. UC Hastings
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:32 pm
by ManoftheHour
Any C&F issues? If you're not lying or misrepresenting anything, there's no way these are your only options.