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A bit premature to be bailing on your cycle. You have one ding. That is it. So far everything else is an unknown, you need to wait it out and see what options you really have.

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Do you think maybe you underapplied? I don't see why you didn't just blanket the whole T14. Just my two cents.

What about Penn, Chicago, UVA, NU, Duke, etc. When did you apply?

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When did you apply and what did you write your PS about.

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Almost literally the same as my cycle, see this thread http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 2&t=226859

I'm guessing you applied late as well?

First, wait until you actually get decisions from HSCN, then if you're not getting one of HYS or good money at CCN reapply early and more broadly.

If all of your "pendings" are dings and all the WLs are WL-->R, then yeah, you should probably reapply. But your cycle can still turn around; you have butler numbers for Columbia and they held a lot of people this year. If you applied late, that could explain the Harvard waitlist.

The weird PS could explain it, but look at it this way--Harvard rejected several people this year with your numbers, your PS wasn't so weird that it led to a rejection. Stanford has rejected people who applied in January, so it doesn't look like your PS was an autoding there. Yale is Yale, Columbia held a 180/4.17 this year, UCLA seemed to notice this year that yield protecting exists, and if you didn't write a why Michigan well good luck with that. So the only weird one going on here is NYU, and you didn't say when you applied. It's a tough cycle for someone with your numbers, but I wouldn't suggest pulling everything out and reapplying just now. Maybe start doing the things you would do again (looking for interesting work, etc etc), but don't give up yet?

Have you written or did you write any LOCIs?

Every cycle there seem to be a few applicants with top quality numbers who slip through the cracks and somehow see themselves out at Harvard, Columbia, Stanford, ect. Usually their cycles turn out fine in the end - full ride to lower T14, $$ at NYU or Chi, ect. Sometimes reapplying is the answer, but unless applications will continue to make steep declines, I can't see how reapplying for you would change the result.

Send LOCI's. Let Stanford and Columbia know they are your top choices and that you aren't just collecting offers or trying to negotiate. You'll find out about S this wk I bet - probably WL, maybe admit; CLS is holding a lot of high scorers, when they realize you aren't going to Harvard they will probably admit you with $$; NYU, I have no idea. Maybe they are experimenting with YP this year a little as well.

Anyway, Berkeley is a great school (esp if you want CA) and a selective catch so while the results seem disappointing, you're not doomed. Keep your head up and be an aggressive advocate for yourself with adcoms over the next month (positively, not like creepy aggressive).

Good luck - I hope one of HCN comes through!

scoobers wrote:If all of your "pendings" are dings and all the WLs are WL-->R, then yeah, you should probably reapply. But your cycle can still turn around; you have butler numbers for Columbia and they held a lot of people this year. If you applied late, that could explain the Harvard waitlist.

The weird PS could explain it, but look at it this way--Harvard rejected several people this year with your numbers, your PS wasn't so weird that it led to a rejection. Stanford has rejected people who applied in January, so it doesn't look like your PS was an autoding there. Yale is Yale, Columbia held a 180/4.17 this year, UCLA seemed to notice this year that yield protecting exists, and if you didn't write a why Michigan well good luck with that. So the only weird one going on here is NYU, and you didn't say when you applied. It's a tough cycle for someone with your numbers, but I wouldn't suggest pulling everything out and reapplying just now. Maybe start doing the things you would do again (looking for interesting work, etc etc), but don't give up yet?

Have you written or did you write any LOCIs?

Wow, that person must've been a terrible applicant .

koalacity wrote:

scoobers wrote:If all of your "pendings" are dings and all the WLs are WL-->R, then yeah, you should probably reapply. But your cycle can still turn around; you have butler numbers for Columbia and they held a lot of people this year. If you applied late, that could explain the Harvard waitlist.

The weird PS could explain it, but look at it this way--Harvard rejected several people this year with your numbers, your PS wasn't so weird that it led to a rejection. Stanford has rejected people who applied in January, so it doesn't look like your PS was an autoding there. Yale is Yale, Columbia held a 180/4.17 this year, UCLA seemed to notice this year that yield protecting exists, and if you didn't write a why Michigan well good luck with that. So the only weird one going on here is NYU, and you didn't say when you applied. It's a tough cycle for someone with your numbers, but I wouldn't suggest pulling everything out and reapplying just now. Maybe start doing the things you would do again (looking for interesting work, etc etc), but don't give up yet?

Have you written or did you write any LOCIs?

Wow, that person must've been a terrible applicant .

180/4.17 post

I agree this seems a bit premature. You've only been outright rejected at the most selective school in the country, hardly a cause for concern. Wait out the WLs and wait on decisions. I think you'll be alright.

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JSWright101 wrote:

scoobers wrote:It's a tough cycle for someone with your numbers

Why? What's weird with the cycle? Isn't my GPA/LSAT combo supposed to be good for most of these schools? If anything the tepid response has been the most surprising part of all: based on what I'd read on sites like this prior to applying, I thought my numbers were a strong lock for most schools and only HYS was a question - seems to not be the case at all though.

Also, I applied late. Late January for Michigan, late Dec for NYU and early January for everyone else.

I think this just means you are stuck squarely between proactive yield protection and extreme selectivity, with maybe a few elements of your application giving pause for those in-between.

I would reapply unless you get a full scholarship somewhere.

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jbagelboy wrote:

JSWright101 wrote:

scoobers wrote:It's a tough cycle for someone with your numbers

Why? What's weird with the cycle? Isn't my GPA/LSAT combo supposed to be good for most of these schools? If anything the tepid response has been the most surprising part of all: based on what I'd read on sites like this prior to applying, I thought my numbers were a strong lock for most schools and only HYS was a question - seems to not be the case at all though.

Also, I applied late. Late January for Michigan, late Dec for NYU and early January for everyone else.

I think this just means you are stuck squarely between proactive yield protection and extreme selectivity, with maybe a few elements of your application giving pause for those in-between.

I more meant that right now, it is probably a below-average cycle with those numbers. But considering you applied in January with several retakes, I'm not super sure. And as we've all said, your cycle could turn around in a heartbeat :].

I would send in an LOCI if you have something to update Harvard with. Focus on yourself though--they know why you have continued interest in attending.

ETA: No harm with sending in an LOCI/Why Mich to Michigan, though I would do it quickly. I know a few people who got in after sending one in a few months after applying.

JSWright101 wrote:

scoobers wrote:It's a tough cycle for someone with your numbers

Also, I applied late. Late January for Michigan, late Dec for NYU and early January for everyone else.

January is not too late and December is definitely not late, I think Jessica Soban said that Harvard receives more than half of Harvard's applications in February.

JSWright101 wrote:

scoobers wrote:It's a tough cycle for someone with your numbers

Why? What's weird with the cycle? Isn't my GPA/LSAT combo supposed to be good for most of these schools? If anything the tepid response has been the most surprising part of all: based on what I'd read on sites like this prior to applying, I thought my numbers were a strong lock for most schools and only HYS was a question - seems to not be the case at all though.

Also, I applied late. Late January for Michigan, late Dec for NYU and early January for everyone else.

Definitely agree someone with your numbers should be close to a lock even at H and S based on past experience, this cycle is just freaky from what I have gathered, did the schools suddenly receive an influx of high performers amidst declining ls applications, I doubt it, but I have heard schools below HYS that traditionally did not practice YP are having the luxury to hold back/reject a noticeable portion of people with 173+/3.8+ numbers. Did USNWR suddenly decide to drop entering stats from their ranking criterions?