Class of 2013 Employment Data Forum

[04102014]

WUSTL is up.


29 + 3.3 = 32.3. I didn't count one long term, part time federal clerk.

That percentage seems wrong according to what I see

44 (501+) + 20 (251-500) + 23 (100-250) = 87/229 > 37.99% 100+ Firms

37.99 + 4.36 % federal clerk = 42.35% 100+ or Art III Clerkship

It's out of 300. Total class size, not total employed.

Edit: scooped

[Crowing]

WUSTL is up.


29 + 3.3 = 32.3. I didn't count one long term, part time federal clerk.

That percentage seems wrong according to what I see

44 (501+) + 20 (251-500) + 23 (100-250) = 87/229 > 37.99% 100+ Firms

37.99 + 4.36 % federal clerk = 42.35% 100+ or Art III Clerkship

Uhh 229 is number of full-time, long-term employed graduates. The correct denominator is total graduates, or 300.

[mtn663]

Yale 65.5% (54+2+6+71 / 203)

http://www.law.yale.edu/studentlife/cdo ... ystats.htm

[04102014]

Yale 65.5% (54+2+6+71 / 203)

http://www.law.yale.edu/studentlife/cdo ... ystats.htm

For those curious, biglaw is 30.5% and fed. clerkships are 34.975%

[chuckbass]

Yale 65.5% (54+2+6+71 / 203)

http://www.law.yale.edu/studentlife/cdo ... ystats.htm

For those curious, biglaw is 30.5% and fed. clerkships are 34.975%

Those fed clerkships doe.

[twenty]

Well done, Columbia. Well done.

[04102014]

Chicago is up, but they used percentages

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/prospective/employmentdata

[Robb]

UChicago:

62.3% 100+ firms + 10.2% fed clerkships / 215 grads = 72.5%

basically in line with last year, just a slight increase

edit: partially scooped & edit 2: corrected math

[04102014]

UChicago:


edit: partially scooped

Hi Robb

[mtn663]

Fordham 34.1% firms + 2.5% fedclerk = 36.6%
http://law.fordham.edu/assets/CareerPla ... .14.14.pdf

[BankruptMe]

W&L

8+2+13+5 = 28/143 = 19.58%

[yeslekkkk]

I was at a law school today, and they said employment data for EVERY school should be posted tomorrow, March 18. Anyone else hear that?

[hashashin]

GULC: 41.4% + 5.1% = 46.5%

http://www.law.georgetown.edu/admission ... y-Page.pdf

OOF

89/645 FTLT are doing government (Unlikely these are School-funded). Removing school funded jobs (11 %) , that year GULC had ~72.4 FTLT JD-Required jobs (77.3 with FTLT JD-Advantage jobs that were not school funded).

If slightly less than half of those government jobs are desirable/competitive (say, 43 out of the 89 in some sort of federal gov/agency/DA position), then desirable jobs becomes: Biglaw (41.4%) + Fedclerk (5.1%) + Government (6.67) = 53.17%. There are also 77 students doing PI work (FT, LT, JD-REquired) , but I don't know how many of these are likely/unlikely to be school-funded.

Unfortunately, I have no way of knowing exactly how many of those gov jobs are in fact desirable, so less than half is my conservative estimate ("conservative" because way too many people in the top third of my section (NOT Curriculum B) shun law firm work completely).

Gtown REALLY needs to release a more granular breakdown of government and PI work, a la Michigan.

[ronanOgara]

Drexel is up..I know someone said something about no TTTs, but it's more info..

I'll post the link..I just got done working out, I'm on my phone, and can't do the calcs I my head

http://drexel.edu/law/career/statistics ... 0Outcomes/

[mtn663]

GULC: 41.4% + 5.1% = 46.5%

http://www.law.georgetown.edu/admission ... y-Page.pdf

OOF

89/645 FTLTJD-Required are doing government (Unlikely these are School-funded).

almost all of the school funded jobs are either going to be PI or gov't and there is no reason gov't jobs can't be school funded. anecdotally, people I know of who went to GWU have school-funded jobs on the Hill; not sure whether that also applies to GULC.

mathematically, GULC reported 73 school-funded jobs that are LTFT/JD, and had a total of 77 PI jobs. I'd guess that more than 4/645 GULC students got PI jobs w/o school funding, meaning that there were at least some school-funded jobs in the gov't category (where else would they be?).

If you want to try to say something about the remaining jobs, you can do the following:

Assume that everyone at a firm and everyone clerking falls in the LTFT/JD category; then there are 156 remaining LTFT/JD jobs. Take away 73 school-funded jobs (11.3%), and that's 83 non-school-funded LTFT/JD jobs collectively in the gov't, PI and business categories (12.9%). of course, we don't know the quality of any of them. but you could add biglaw (41.4%) + fedclerk (5.1%) + some of the non-funded jobs (say 8-9%) to get a figure of ~55%, or a figure approaching 60% if you want to count all the non-funded jobs--bearing in mind that GULC PT might distort the numbers a bit.

but, of course, some of the funded jobs might turn out well. we don't know.

[hashashin]

GULC: 41.4% + 5.1% = 46.5%

http://www.law.georgetown.edu/admission ... y-Page.pdf

OOF

89/645 FTLTJD-Required are doing government (Unlikely these are School-funded).

almost all of the school funded jobs are either going to be PI or gov't and there is no reason gov't jobs can't be school funded. anecdotally, people I know of who went to GWU have school-funded jobs on the Hill; not sure whether that also applies to GULC.

mathematically, GULC reported 73 school-funded jobs that are LTFT/JD, and had a total of 77 PI jobs. I'd guess that more than 4/645 GULC students got PI jobs w/o school funding, meaning that there were at least some school-funded jobs in the gov't category (where else would they be?).

If you want to try to say something about the remaining jobs, you can do the following:

Assume that everyone at a firm and everyone clerking falls in the LTFT/JD category; then there are 156 remaining LTFT/JD jobs. Take away 73 school-funded jobs (11.3%), and that's 83 non-school-funded LTFT/JD jobs collectively in the gov't, PI and business categories (12.9%). of course, we don't know the quality of any of them. but you could add biglaw (41.4%) + fedclerk (5.1%) + some of the non-funded jobs (say 8-9%) to get a figure of ~55%, or a figure approaching 60% if you want to count all the non-funded jobs--bearing in mind that GULC PT might distort the numbers a bit.

but, of course, some of the funded jobs might turn out well. we don't know.

Agreed.

[moonman157]

Does anyone have the link to last year's numbers, just for reference?

[Nelson]

Does anyone have the link to last year's numbers, just for reference?

Stickied at the top of this forum... http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=207045

[zman]

It appears that outcomes are a little better for elite and semi elite schools but that's not saying much. The debt loads are bigger than ever and this is the biggest group of JDs to flood the job market ever.

[wwwcol]

Duke: 51.4 + 8.7 = 60.1%

https://law.duke.edu/sites/default/file ... ss2013.pdf

[MyNameIsFlynn!]

Northwestern: 55.6 + 7.7 = 63.3%

[twenty]

Fortunately CO2013 shows that CO2012's market improvement wasn't a fluke, especially when 2009-2010 pretty much maxed out on law school applications.

[04102014]

Duke: 51.4 + 8.7 = 60.1%

https://law.duke.edu/sites/default/file ... ss2013.pdf

That's quite the dip for Duke's clerkship numbers.

[xmking07]

Here is a link to a spreadsheet with new biglaw numbers/percentages and the % change from last year:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... ring#gid=0

[whereskyle]

Did USNWR use these numbers for its rankings, or last year's?