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I don't care about what the GPA/LSAT range is. The only thing that matters to me is employment statistics. UCLA and other non-T14 schools do not rival Cornell/Northwestern in this statistic and so no, I would not choose somewhere else outside the T14. Actually, lower GPA/LSAT ranges are a positive for applicants. More scholarships for lower numbers.

the T14 distinction is based on job prospects, not uswnr.

whether to attend a school like ucla over cornell should depend on personal factors, not admission stats.

Here's the USN ranking with floor(at graduation employment %): Maybe it should be the T8 now. It can't feel okay to be looking for work at graduation.

UCLA and Vanderbilt had higher LSAT medians that Cornell for quite some time, but this has not resulted in the schools changing places for job placement purposes.

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Cornell has also suffered a serious decline in applications, from 5,556 in Fall 2011 to 4,054 in 2013:

http://cornellsun.com/blog/2014/02/07/c ... pplicants/

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MistakenGenius wrote:

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But no, it won't change anything. Admission data doesn't mean a thing. It's good if it's low, as long as they keep making UCLA, Vandy, and USC their bitches in employment.

Appreciate the pro-UT trolling here. Thanks bro.

GEMJRERCHS wrote:Last year the statistics for Cornell's freshman class GPA was 3.5/3.63/3.77 and its LSAT was 166/168/169, this year it is 3.52/3.66/3.73 and 165/167/167

Cornell's median was 168 two years ago, not last year, and it's 167 again this year. So Cornell dropped one point in 2 years. Meanwhile NYU dropped 2 points in two years. Not that it matters because:

ImNoScar wrote:UCLA and Vanderbilt had higher LSAT medians than Cornell for quite some time, but this has not resulted in the schools changing places for job placement purposes.

DebtMonkey wrote:Cornell has also suffered a serious decline in applications, from 5,556 in Fall 2011 to 4,054 in 2013:

http://cornellsun.com/blog/2014/02/07/c ... pplicants/

This was right after Cornell had an unexplained 50% spike in applications the year before.

Lavitz wrote:

GEMJRERCHS wrote:Last year the statistics for Cornell's freshman class GPA was 3.5/3.63/3.77 and its LSAT was 166/168/169, this year it is 3.52/3.66/3.73 and 165/167/167

Cornell's median was 168 two years ago, not last year, and it's 167 again this year. So Cornell dropped one point in 2 years. Meanwhile NYU dropped 2 points in two years. Not that it matters because:

ImNoScar wrote:UCLA and Vanderbilt had higher LSAT medians than Cornell for quite some time, but this has not resulted in the schools changing places for job placement purposes.

DebtMonkey wrote:Cornell has also suffered a serious decline in applications, from 5,556 in Fall 2011 to 4,054 in 2013:

http://cornellsun.com/blog/2014/02/07/c ... pplicants/

This was right after Cornell had an unexplained 50% spike in applications the year before.

Even a blind man can see that Cornell is a TTT in decline. Sorry bro.

But seriously, Cornell Sun? Why would they name a publication in Ithaca the "Sun?"

BigZuck wrote:But seriously, Cornell Sun? Why would they name a publication in Ithaca the "Sun?"

Obviously to compensate for the lack of the other Sun.

So, we can all easily imagine that fewer desirable applicants overall means that the lower the rank of the school, the less likely it is for that school to recruit successfully more desirable applicants. I'm wondering if there is evidence that alumni networks will in any way help schools like Cornell and NU to mitigate any negative effects. For instance, many ppl recognize that Hastings has gone downhill, but hiring partners may still grace Hastings grads with jobs, due to their connection to a once great school. Another factor: many practicing attorneys are not so hyper aware as we are, and they are quick to say to me, "Why don't you apply to (TTT)?" Whether or not firms and other OCI organizations are planning to change their ways is suspect at this point. As far as I know, OCI at NU and Cornell hasn't changed much beyond the observable effects of the recession, and Idk if we should expect it to change based on falling/stagnant demand for new grads.

Also, the US News rankings of the T14 match the rankings for the T14's undergraduate institution rankings. The lay prestige has created a feedback loop that informs students as well as employers. The result: a clearly delineated "T14" of immediately recognizable school names. This system is entrenched. Berkeley, Stanford, also have peculiar numbers for admits for their rankings historically.

Cornell Biglaw+Fedclerk = 64%
Berkeley Biglaw+Fedclerk = 61%
NU Biglaw+Fedclerk = 55%

OP, go to UCLA or Vandy instead. Seems legit.

Edit: sorry for the repost... working with a faulty mouse. (yaaaayyyy... donated computers at NPO's...)

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mirroroferised7 wrote:I'm currently looking at near-full ride to UCLA, and waiting to hear back on AJD scholarships at NU. It will take $100k to sway me in NU's direction for three reasons:

1) I want to work in the entertainment industry (B.A. in Arts and Media Management)

2) UG was in Chicago (this works both ways though, because I hate sun, and don't like driving, but I also like the idea of relocating while I'm still young/mobile.)

3) Student loan debt is really, really scary. And I feel like I'd be at the top of the pack for UCLA, making my job prospects a bit stronger compared to the rest of the graduating class.

El Pollito wrote:

mirroroferised7 wrote:I'm currently looking at near-full ride to UCLA, and waiting to hear back on AJD scholarships at NU. It will take $100k to sway me in NU's direction for three reasons:

1) I want to work in the entertainment industry (B.A. in Arts and Media Management)

2) UG was in Chicago (this works both ways though, because I hate sun, and don't like driving, but I also like the idea of relocating while I'm still young/mobile.)

3) Student loan debt is really, really scary. And I feel like I'd be at the top of the pack for UCLA, making my job prospects a bit stronger compared to the rest of the graduating class.

♫ it was a triumph ♫

papercut wrote:Here's the USN ranking with floor(at graduation employment %):

Code: Select all

Y - 90
H - 90
S - 93
C - 93
C - 90
N - 93
P - 83
V - 97
B - 72
M - 70
D - 72
N - 77
C - 69
G - 71
T - 76
V - 76

Maybe it should be the T8 now. It can't feel okay to be looking for work at graduation.

Lol UVA.

El Pollito wrote:

mirroroferised7 wrote:I'm currently looking at near-full ride to UCLA, and waiting to hear back on AJD scholarships at NU. It will take $100k to sway me in NU's direction for three reasons:

1) I want to work in the entertainment industry (B.A. in Arts and Media Management)

2) UG was in Chicago (this works both ways though, because I hate sun, and don't like driving, but I also like the idea of relocating while I'm still young/mobile.)

3) Student loan debt is really, really scary. And I feel like I'd be at the top of the pack for UCLA, making my job prospects a bit stronger compared to the rest of the graduating class.

People like this still exist?

mirroroferised7 wrote:I'm currently looking at near-full ride to UCLA, and waiting to hear back on AJD scholarships at NU. It will take $100k to sway me in NU's direction for three reasons:

1) I want to work in the entertainment industry (B.A. in Arts and Media Management)

2) UG was in Chicago (this works both ways though, because I hate sun, and don't like driving, but I also like the idea of relocating while I'm still young/mobile.)

3) Student loan debt is really, really scary. And I feel like I'd be at the top of the pack for UCLA, making my job prospects a bit stronger compared to the rest of the graduating class.

Do you already have a job waiting for you? Why would you do AJD?

patogordo wrote:

El Pollito wrote:

mirroroferised7 wrote:I'm currently looking at near-full ride to UCLA, and waiting to hear back on AJD scholarships at NU. It will take $100k to sway me in NU's direction for three reasons:

1) I want to work in the entertainment industry (B.A. in Arts and Media Management)

2) UG was in Chicago (this works both ways though, because I hate sun, and don't like driving, but I also like the idea of relocating while I'm still young/mobile.)

3) Student loan debt is really, really scary. And I feel like I'd be at the top of the pack for UCLA, making my job prospects a bit stronger compared to the rest of the graduating class.

♫ it was a triumph ♫

im making a note here

huge success