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Blackjack45 wrote:So I cast a wide net sending an application to all the T14. (Along with all the random other schools I picked). I didn't think that I was going to get any cash or money; honestly I thought my stats sucked.

the low Tier 1 schools and Tier 2 schools are begging me to go with $$$. And I just got my letter from Georgetown.

165, 3.2 AA Male. If it is Georgetown @ sticker, should I go? (Say as opposed to UF/FSU**, or UG/Emory with $$$)

**in state

Winston1984 wrote:Hard to answer if we don't know your goals and financial situation.

Blackjack45 wrote:

Winston1984 wrote:Hard to answer if we don't know your goals and financial situation.

As for financial situation... I don't have one. I will have zero money going in. Undergrad was 100% covered by scholarships and grants. So this will hopefully be need based assistance and scholarships etc.

Goals... Well I have a techy background so I guess Patent Law is the natural choice. My undergrad stuff (Mathematical Biology) is enough to take the patent bar upon graduating. I haven't yet looked into which schools would be best for that though. Other than that, I'm not picky... something lucrative though.

rickgrimes69 wrote:Assuming you're financing this with debt, I can't think of a scenario where going to GULC at sticker is a good idea.

jselson wrote:Just want to remind folks that a patent-eligible URM is going to have a significantly easier time finding employment than others after law school.

OP, wait til all your options come in to think about where to go, you have months and months to decide.

Dr.Zer0 wrote:This. OP your 165 will get you far. What other t-14 schools did you apply to?

Also take a look at this thread: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 4&t=195443

Blackjack45 wrote:

rickgrimes69 wrote:Assuming you're financing this with debt, I can't think of a scenario where going to GULC at sticker is a good idea.

Is that to suggest that I shouldn't go to law school at all? Or are you saying I should choose a significantly worse school with $$$ over a t14 (albeit Georgetown) at sticker?

rickgrimes69 wrote:Assuming you're financing this with debt, I can't think of a scenario where going to GULC at sticker is a good idea.

hashashin wrote:Also a GULC 1L, also patent eligible (was software eng at F50), but going here on a substantial scholly.

First, please realize that most of the conventional squawking here derives from data from the class of 2011 and 2012 (i.e. from EIWs that occurred, respectively, FOUR and THREE years ago!). The class of 2011, of course, was abysmal for pretty much every school in the T14. For the class of 2012, the numbers on LST's score reports would indicate that GULC had ~40% in biglaw, 3.7% in Clerkships, and 26% in Public Sector FTLT positions: EVEN IF we say that 13% (HALF) of those public sector positions were desirable outcomes (this is a VERY conservative estimate, considering that this is FUCKING georgetown, and our relationship with the feds is pretty legit), that would mean that 60% of people EVEN in the class of 2012 had perfectly desirable outcomes; Georgetown's PI and GOVERNMENT focus makes it SIGNIFICANTLY different from the rest of the schools in the lower T14; so the most simplistic analysis, of just taking Biglaw and adding Clerkship percentages to it, just does not give you a very accurate measurement of GULC's placement power. I'm also not sure what the hell people mean when they state (IN THE SAME SENTENCE) that Georgetown has FAR BETTER Gov/PI placement than the DCNG tier, and THEN say that, GEE, its Biglaw placement is lower than that of peer schools, as if the latter number would be unaffected by the DROVES of people who come here to do Public Sector work in the first place. The grade cutoffs, moreover, for getting hired into Biglaw are EXACTLY the same for Cornell, GULC, Duke and Northwestern (just have OCS SHOW you, as I did, the cutoffs from FAll 2012 and onwards); this would suggest that it really is not that much harder to secure Biglaw from GULC than it is from the rest of DCNG. The SALARY data, moreover, for GULC grads shows that AT LEAST 51% of the 2012 class was making six figures DESPITE their supposedly deficient biglaw placement (http://www.law.georgetown.edu/careers/o ... ry-6-5.pdf); the corresponding percentage for NU grads was 56% (with 98% of respondents in the private sector reporting). Here's another thread that breaks this down: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5&t=213584

Second, I am not sure whether nickb (the other GULC 1L) has consulted OCS' preliminary numbers for Biglaw associateships for the class of 2013, but raw OCS data has a little more than HALF the entire class getting Biglaw.

Whether or not you choose to pay sticker here is up to you; but PLEASE DO NOT base your decision on any fictitious difference between GULC and the rest of the lower T14.

IF you are willing to pay sticker for Cornell or NU, then you SHOULD BE WILLING to do so for GULC; since the class of 2013, GULC has really NOT been any more risky.

hashashin wrote:this would suggest that it really is not that much harder to secure Biglaw from GULC than it is from the rest of DCNG.

cotiger wrote:

hashashin wrote:Also a GULC 1L, also patent eligible (was software eng at F50), but going here on a substantial scholly.

First, please realize that most of the conventional squawking here derives from data from the class of 2011 and 2012 (i.e. from EIWs that occurred, respectively, FOUR and THREE years ago!). The class of 2011, of course, was abysmal for pretty much every school in the T14. For the class of 2012, the numbers on LST's score reports would indicate that GULC had ~40% in biglaw, 3.7% in Clerkships, and 26% in Public Sector FTLT positions: EVEN IF we say that 13% (HALF) of those public sector positions were desirable outcomes (this is a VERY conservative estimate, considering that this is FUCKING georgetown, and our relationship with the feds is pretty legit), that would mean that 60% of people EVEN in the class of 2012 had perfectly desirable outcomes; Georgetown's PI and GOVERNMENT focus makes it SIGNIFICANTLY different from the rest of the schools in the lower T14; so the most simplistic analysis, of just taking Biglaw and adding Clerkship percentages to it, just does not give you a very accurate measurement of GULC's placement power. I'm also not sure what the hell people mean when they state (IN THE SAME SENTENCE) that Georgetown has FAR BETTER Gov/PI placement than the DCNG tier, and THEN say that, GEE, its Biglaw placement is lower than that of peer schools, as if the latter number would be unaffected by the DROVES of people who come here to do Public Sector work in the first place. The grade cutoffs, moreover, for getting hired into Biglaw are EXACTLY the same for Cornell, GULC, Duke and Northwestern (just have OCS SHOW you, as I did, the cutoffs from FAll 2012 and onwards); this would suggest that it really is not that much harder to secure Biglaw from GULC than it is from the rest of DCNG. The SALARY data, moreover, for GULC grads shows that AT LEAST 51% of the 2012 class was making six figures DESPITE their supposedly deficient biglaw placement (http://www.law.georgetown.edu/careers/o ... ry-6-5.pdf); the corresponding percentage for NU grads was 56% (with 98% of respondents in the private sector reporting). Here's another thread that breaks this down: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5&t=213584

Second, I am not sure whether nickb (the other GULC 1L) has consulted OCS' preliminary numbers for Biglaw associateships for the class of 2013, but raw OCS data has a little more than HALF the entire class getting Biglaw.

Whether or not you choose to pay sticker here is up to you; but PLEASE DO NOT base your decision on any fictitious difference between GULC and the rest of the lower T14.

IF you are willing to pay sticker for Cornell or NU, then you SHOULD BE WILLING to do so for GULC; since the class of 2013, GULC has really NOT been any more risky.

The problem with this assertion is that even if you consider all of GULC's Gov/PI stuff as super awesome, they still come in behind the lowest performing other schools of the T14.

Here is a thread about that: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 4#p7216961

This is not to say that GULC is a bad school, or that it wouldn't work for OP (especially considering the patent-eligible URM thing), but GULC absolutely does have worse overall placement than the rest of the T14.

rickgrimes69 wrote:

hashashin wrote:this would suggest that it really is not that much harder to secure Biglaw from GULC than it is from the rest of DCNG.

lol at your entire post but especially this part

hashashin wrote:

rickgrimes69 wrote:

hashashin wrote:this would suggest that it really is not that much harder to secure Biglaw from GULC than it is from the rest of DCNG.

lol at your entire post but especially this part

Awww, that's cute...the troglodyte with a 169 LSAT thinks he's elite...

hashashin wrote:

hashashin wrote:

rickgrimes69 wrote:

hashashin wrote:this would suggest that it really is not that much harder to secure Biglaw from GULC than it is from the rest of DCNG.

lol at your entire post but especially this part

Awww, that's cute...the troglodyte with a 169 LSAT thinks he's elite...

Also, could you show us the firm for which DOOK grads have a lower grade cutoff than GULC grads do?