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DaRasc, I know you've heard this but you gotta retake. Volunteer for a year or something while you study for a retake.TA923 wrote:You already turned down BC at sticker, which, if you're gunning for NYC, is a much better option.
TA923 wrote:You already turned down BC at sticker, which, if you're gunning for NYC, is a much better option.
Yea bro, $240K in graduating debt is no big deal. That accruing interest is killer. Going to law school at sticker because you can't pay your $35K is stupid.DaRascal wrote:I'm thinking I should attend seeing as it won't necessarily ruin my life
As a total ND homer, I would not recommend going at sticker without any family contribution. That being said, 2012 did much better than 2011 and 2013 did much better than 2012. The CDO had a complete turnover in the middle of the year for the class of 2012. The new CDO is much, much better. In my experience ND is a niche school, great for getting big firms in small towns or clerkships with conservative judges. The downside is that it doesn't do as well in the huge cities, which is where you need to be to pay off $300k in loans.DaRascal wrote:Hey guys, just off the ND waitlist. I was really high on Notre Dame and I know from everything I've read on here that most TLSers think attending at sticker price wouldn't be a sound decision.
Pros:
-Great School
-Excellent chance at a legal job
-Prefer colder weather
-Having trouble finding a job (recent college grad) and have 35k in loans to pay back starting in December
-Saves me the pressure of an LSAT retake
-Still could gamble on getting off a T14 waitlist really late
Cons:
-Sticker Price
-shoddy biglaw chances
-Unsure about NDLS' LRAP
-Have been making strides for my October retake
-Worried the debt could ruin me
I'm thinking I should attend seeing as it won't necessarily ruin my life and law school is a gamble in general. Thoughts?
BC has only marginally better employment rates and placement in NY, but ND's higher tuition makes your COA a wash.DaRascal wrote:Are you sure about that??? Doesn't seem quite right.TA923 wrote:You already turned down BC at sticker, which, if you're gunning for NYC, is a much better option.
Besides, you also have to consider the small class size at ND and much cheaper cost of living.
Do you honestly think it is easier to get stellar grades during your 1L year than it is to do well on the LSAT, a highly learnable and generally predictable test? You are obviously just trying to justify the (poor) decision to go to ND at sticker. Don't do it. You have your whole life to go to law school. I almost went to Georgetown 3 years ago for sticker price but decided not to at the last second and now I'm going to a T6 for less than sticker, bro! Don't do it! Sky's the limit!DaRascal wrote:Nova wrote:
As a urm with a 3.5, schools where you are at or above the lsat median will definitely offer you big scholarships if admitted.
Therein lies a big part of the problem. I think I'm improving a lot but anything can happen on test day. It's just so tempting to go right now and just work like a beast especially since Notre Dame has a small class. I do remember reading some posts on TLS validating attending schools like ND, Vandy, and WUSTL at sticker price because of the lifelong value of the degree even if you don't get biglaw.
Still a shit ton, still too much.DaRascal wrote:Forgot to mention that I'll get helped out with living expenses so I'd take out only ~$170k in loans to cover tuition, books, and my end of the rent.andythefir wrote:The downside is that it doesn't do as well in the huge cities, which is where you need to be to pay off $300k in loans.
I'm not advising you to go as much as I'm advising you to completely understand what you're getting yourself into. Suppose you do PAYE for the next 20 years because you either 1) can't get a legal job or 2) can't get a legal job that is enough to pay off your debt. There is a 2/3rds likelihood that "that" will end up being you.DaRascal wrote:Ugh looks like this might not be such a good idea.
I'm about 50/50 on this. Strongly considering Twenty's advice.
Just go. You clearly couldn't care less what anyone on here says unless they agree with you. So I agree with you. Go have a great time and after you graduate come on here and educate the next crop of prospective law students on the perils of going into huge debt with uncertain job prospects.DaRascal wrote:Ugh looks like this might not be such a good idea.
I'm about 50/50 on this. Strongly considering Twenty's advice.